Healing Trauma Through Sacred Travel

Julie Hilsen: 0:12

Life of Love, life of Love, life of Love, life of Love, life of Love, life of Love, life of Love can show up in the world with our highest good for ourselves and everyone, our families, our relationships, and I’m just so delighted to have everyone join us again and anyone who can share these messages for your loved ones, humanity. It’s my mission to just bring light and inspiration and hope, and so I’m very picky about my guests, and so I’m really excited to introduce Laura Giles to the show this week. She has spent over 20 years in the space of healing trauma, bringing forth people’s highest good, helping them get over things that were challenges and often things that when you overcome, you make your world a better place. I’m just so delighted because it’s such an alignment with what I’m about. She’s worked in maximum security prisons, psychiatric hospitals, in the court system, and she also has a private practice and an awesome website, so I’m just really excited to pick her brain today. Laura, thanks for being on Life of Love, thank you for the invitation.

Laura Giles: 1:33

It’s a pleasure.

Julie Hilsen: 1:35

Of course, of course. So I just want to get right into it, because you’re up to so many great things and just spending a little time on your website. I was intrigued, and so my first question was tell us about your sanctuary and how that came about, because it’s not what you. You don’t really see that much. I mean, I talk about creating a container and like we make space for this episode and we put intention into it, but how did you come about your sanctuary? I’m just delighted to pick your brain on that.

Laura Giles: 2:06

I think it’s happened kind of organically and it’s something that’s always been a part of my life, because I grew up in a really warm and safe family and my moons and cancer I think that has a lot to do with it. So family is really important to me, that space where you feel like yourself and you can let down your guard, laugh, you know, joke and share your light with the world. And so when I left my family, what I found was that I started creating that everywhere I went, which was so strange because I’m super shy, not that person to go out and start talking to people and making the space a home. But I’ve always done that and I was really curious about what am I doing? This is so bizarre, and so I didn’t know that I was doing it until much later. But I also began doing sacred travel.

Laura Giles: 2:56

That was also a happy accident. I just went for the first time, was totally amazed and I said, oh my God, I have to share this with people, and they had the same experiences that I did, and at first I thought it was just well, these places are so amazing. I realized later was, no, it’s that sanctuary, that safe place, that allows it to be amazing because people’s hearts can open, and so once it became conscious, then I said, okay, let’s do this intentionally and I set out to create that so that, because I work in trauma, you know, I think it’s really important for everyone, especially people who have been traumatized, to have a place like that where they can just settle in, be themselves, let that light shine and live with a sense of aliveness.

Julie Hilsen: 3:43

I love that there’s so much to unpack there. Tell me sacred travel. Is it going to places that have been historically sacred, like Tulum or the pyramids? Can you expand on what that was? And then it seems like the intention of the people you travel with also make a big difference. But I’d like to just start with where Sacred Travel, the idea, came up.

Laura Giles: 4:07

Yeah, so initially it was not that at all. I just was working like a slave. I used to own a residential tree service and it was a hurricane season. It was hurricane after hurricane and it was a hurricane season. It was hurricane after hurricane and we just it was nonstop forever and I just needed a break and I wanted to go anywhere, it didn’t really matter where, and Egypt was one of those places that was very easy to get to. They had packages, all you have to do. You know, everything is done for you. So I went there with no real pull for that. I just it could have been anywhere. And I was absolutely stunned by how amazing it all is. It was just the place is alive.

Laura Giles: 4:47

You can feel, if you’re sensitive, you can feel the modern, masculine Islamic energy, masculine islamic energy and then this old, ancient, feminine, soft, amazing energy from the past. And then, when I got to the pyramids, it was like my god, it was timeless. It was like it was like all the visions in the world just melted and and I was just one with everything, with the pyramids, with the sand, with the people, with the camels, with the universe. We were there in the world just melted and and I was just one with everything, with the pyramids, with the sand, with the people, with the camels, with the universe. We were there in the middle of the night, which you can’t do now because there’s a fence, but, um, it was the moon and the mist and it was just amazing and and that’s where I came up with this idea of sacred travel you, you know, people have to be here because of this energy and the history, and what I later found was that, yes, these places do have energy and we would travel the ley lines.

Laura Giles: 5:47

That’s what I was going to ask you and the Rainbow Serpent so my company was called Rainbow Serpent Adventures and because those places are really, really powerful. But then when I found out, I said everything has magic, Every place has magic and you have magic that you’re bringing to it. So we don’t always go to those places. Now the last place that we went was Cornwall, which was just a couple weeks ago, and we did a pilgrimage there and at the very end that is a magical place. We were on the Mary Michael Ley Line, but the whole time we were pilgrimaging it wasn’t but it was. I love that. I love that.

Julie Hilsen: 6:23

I was just listening to Rory Duff. You know he’s trying to map all the ley lines and it was just last week I heard him Pamela Gregory had him on and shout out to her. She’s amazing. And Rory Duff, I have his book and I wasn’t able to decipher. It was a ley lines book. I’m like I’m going to look up the ley lines around me. Well, it’s like really hard because the way it’s written but I digress.

Julie Hilsen: 6:51

He was saying that there’s shadow lines on the ley lines. So they have these main ley lines in this, like you said, the dragon lines too, and you mentioned the serpent. But he’s finding through the dowsing rods and he has an army of people who are dowsers that they’re finding. The lines have shadows where they’re expanding. So that’s speaking to your point, where it’s basically wherever you have the intention, because things are shifting so much and I don’t know if people are following this, but there’s solar flares like crazy.

Julie Hilsen: 7:28

It’s tricky right now to be human and feel adjusted on this plane, on this planet, because we’re getting energetically infused and it feels like an assault at times. But I love, laura, how you’re mentioning this divine feminine and bringing in the energies and then you’re talking, and I was thinking about the shape of this pyramid being the shape of a womb, and that came to me that this feminine womb energy in Egypt. I just want to share that because it just I’m blown away. I’m so glad we’re talking about this right now and that you know your sacred travel has led you to to this awareness, to this epiphany, that it’s about you setting it up and and and taking the space to to just quiet your mind and be so. Is it a lot of nature, or is it museums? Or you do both, or how does that? How does that?

Laura Giles: 8:42

feed in. It is a lot of nature. In the beginning it was more about the sites, the temples, the sacred springs and being in the energy of that. Or maybe it could even be trees, because there are sacred trees, you know, and kind of sucking it up from there. And because these places are typically remote, you have to walk a ways to get there. So we would always be in nature and I didn’t really think about how powerful that is until kind of recently.

Laura Giles: 9:12

And then when we did the pilgrimage, you know we’re outside all day, You’re under the sun, you’re in the wind, you’re in all of it. And because of the resonance of the earth, you know, most people don’t get out that much, they’re inside with the AC all the time and in artificial environments. And I think that being outside is so healing in itself. You know, because you are on the earth, you are touching the earth and you’re away from all of this electromagnetic stuff and unhealthy people and unhealthy stimulation. Your phone is never on, so I think just being in nature itself, breathing in the air, with the trees, is super healing and very spiritual. So in the pilgrimage it really we didn’t. The second half is when we went to the sacred sites. But the first half wasn’t any of that at all and it was equally, or maybe even more, healing and balancing and connecting as a second part.

Julie Hilsen: 10:10

And then how many people are on these trips and how did they find this type of travel? It doesn’t come up.

Laura Giles: 10:17

It depends on where we go With. Some of them, like Egypt and Peru, they’re set up for travel. You can take a larger group, but some of them, like Cornwall, they’re not and they have these little teeny, tiny roads and you know you can only book lodging for so many people, so they’re tiny. The last two years we’ve done tiny tours because of the places that just can’t accommodate that many people. And then there’s those also, like you know, do you want to be with a gigantic group on a pilgrimage? I mean, I guess people do. People do it on the Camino all the time.

Julie Hilsen: 10:49

I don’t.

Laura Giles: 10:50

You know I prefer a smaller group, so the maximum size group that I ever take is 16. Nice, my gosh. And how long have you been doing this? For 25 years Wow.

Building Community Through Connection

Julie Hilsen: 11:03

So pretty much your whole career this has been a part of. Yes, and then I wanted to get back. When you say you like to create sacred space or sanctuary around you, how did you start doing that when you left your house? I did want to. That came in, you know, as something that I was really curious about how you implemented that. And then you know, you realized it later, but how did it manifest?

Laura Giles: 11:29

So picture this so I’m working in a corporate environment and this is a business, people are there to do business, and but I was like the person on the entertainment committee, so I would be helping with the parties and things like this, and we would do outings that had nothing to do with work. So I’d set something up and be like, hey, let’s do this. You know which is kind of weird I have my family, I have my friends. I don’t need these people, not at all. It’s not like you know, I need it for social. It’s just I think there was a yearning in me to have some connection wherever I am and we do that socially.

Laura Giles: 12:10

You know, for the last 10 years or so I’ve had a meetup group, same thing in my community. So I would use my office for healers, anything that has to do with mind, body, spirit, anybody in the community come in, share your thing, we’ll talk to the community and everybody gets to know each other. And from that we formed a group of people who probably don’t have anything else in common and we’re very friendly. It’s very neighborly and I just like to have that vibe with me wherever I go. So I’ve done this forever, not with any real intention to build a community, but I think it’s just what my heart needs is to have connection with the people around me. It’s the same thing in my neighborhood. You know, I know who my neighbors are. We help each other out. It’s that kind of place.

Julie Hilsen: 12:50

That networking and feeling part of the group helping out. Yeah, I agree, I’m like I hope my neighbors don’t think I’m nosy, but I just care. Yeah, it matters. Care, yeah, yeah, really I think it matters um a rabbi like years and years ago that said that it was rabbi green. He’s in colorado now, amazing man. He said that garage door openers were the downfall of society, because when people come in and shut their garage door, you’re like shutting off your house to the neighbor. You know, and I and I always remember that I was like you know, that’s sort of true.

Julie Hilsen: 13:28

You know, you come in and shut the door. So it’s like we have to have a conscious effort to get to know our neighbors, our community.

Laura Giles: 13:36

Yeah it’s very different from the way that I grew up. When I grew up, all the kids were in the street. You know you played with everybody. You knew your neighbors. All the kids were in the street. You know you played with everybody. You knew your neighbors. I knew my neighbor. I was in his garden every day. You know, when he came home I greeted him every day. He was just a part of my life.

Julie Hilsen: 14:12

And I think that when I left my family’s house, that that was just how I grew up and that’s how I wanted to live, and so that’s what I’ve been doing my whole life, without any intention or any. You know, like, oh, let me do this because blah, blah, blah. You know it was just a function of who I am and I do believe there are people who are placed here to show what’s possible and that you know, if you’re feeling this illusion of separation because it is illusion we’re one of one, you’re your individual and we’re all together. It’s just if you can see yourself as that and know that that is a truth, that it’s. You know, any kind of sadness or separation or layers that you can unpeel and be vulnerable.

Julie Hilsen: 14:43

You know, step out of your comfort zone to strike up a conversation. You know neighbors out of your comfort zone to strike up a conversation. You know neighbors talk about the weather. Who cares if you have pets or weeds or flowers? You know it’s just the fodder, for conversation is nonstop. But when you have a home or a neighborhood and that builds your community and I think it’s just wonderful, I mean, that’s the biggest thing that makes people feel alone is is not, obviously not feeling connected.

Julie Hilsen: 15:11

But I mean it’s really obvious when you start talking about it, but it’s not so obvious when you’re feeling alone.

Laura Giles: 15:16

Yeah.

Julie Hilsen: 15:17

You know. So I love that. I love that that came forth for our conversation today. And I wanted to ask you also about and I don’t mean to jump around, but I just there’s so many wheels that I want to cover so many cogs in the wheel. I guess I want to say but tell me about the divine feminine archetypes. I want to get back to the Egypt pyramid and maybe weave this in a little bit more, because that is such a huge exclamation mark in our conversation. I’m just like, yeah, tell me about that and what you found and how it’s changed your life and your perspective.

Laura Giles: 15:54

So I grew up a tomboy and the feminine anything was not on my radar at all. And, oddly, I used to be a bodybuilder and I had some car accidents. Couldn’t do that anymore and so I fell into belly dance, which is another thing that brought me to Egypt. Yeah, it’s incredibly feminine and, you know, because of the way that you move your body, it’s a whole body dance. You call it a belly dance, but it is a whole body dance and so you get all of your chakras activated. It’s mind, body, spirit. You’ve got the movement, the music, the emotions, everything. It’s very holistic and through that then I became involved in moon circles.

Exploring the Feminine Archetypes

Laura Giles: 16:39

So there’s all this feminine stuff happening and this is the energy that I just had really nothing to do with, never thought about it, it wasn’t part of my reality at all, but then all of these experiences just helped to make me so much more whole and it’s like I don’t even know who I was at first without that. How could you be whole without it? Because we all have masculine and feminine and I think being aware of the archetypes and how they move through the life can help a person enrich their lives and become that wholeness or express, because we’re always whole. We just don’t, are not aware of it and we don’t express it. And so the sacred travel was part of that too, because the land has energy and then when you visit the masculine energies and the feminine energies, and if you really have a sense of that, it awakens it in you.

Julie Hilsen: 17:26

I love it. I love it and it is it’s remembering, it’s something that our society’s forgotten. But we’re getting back with this age of Aquarius, the Capricorn energy, we’re getting back to these ideas that the feminine is coming more forward and I, you know it is. It’s it’s like these, the confusion between male and female. Well, we’re all everything. Yeah, that comes back to the all of one. Ok, so I relate to the tomboy thing. And then you know, like being a mom was huge. Going through certain transitions in your life, you feel more feminine. There’s been space made for, like, when you get married, you feel very feminine and you have these baby showers you’re receiving, and there are some rituals that we have in our society that highlight our divine feminine and I really enjoyed those things and I think being a mother sort of obviously sparks it. But then it’s that constant connection to your divine feminine. And so would you like to talk about what the four archetypes are, so that people might identify or, you know, realize you go in and out of these things.

Laura Giles: 18:41

Yeah, thank you for asking me that question, because I think it’s something that a lot of women are aware of and certainly don’t think about. But the first one is the maiden. I think we’re all familiar with that. That’s the girlhood stage, and this is where we belong to our parents. So we’re not ourselves yet we’re a product of them. And actually even before that, when we’re in utero, we’re part of our mom. Her heartbeat is our heartbeat, her blood is our blood, her food is our food. So we’re not even separate from her yet, and that’s why I think it’s real important to get to know this, because the mother is the root. You know, whether you’re a boy or a girl, you are part of your mother first, and so she’s so important, everybody’s mother is so important.

Laura Giles: 19:24

So we come up as this girl, we’re our parents’ child, and then puberty hits and all these hormones are raging and this is a call for us to blossom into ourselves, and hopefully what happens is we begin to separate from our parents, and some parents are kind of heavy handed. Don’t you dare. This is the life I have mapped out for you. You’re going to do this, and then that girl never gets to be herself. But hopefully what happens is that it’s an easy-ish transition and she begins to rebel, she begins to hang out with her friends more and feel who she is, and then begins to blossom into herself.

Laura Giles: 20:00

So parenthood is a thankless task, and I don’t think lots of people think about this. I think they think of it as this is going to enrich me, this is going to make my life so much better, it’s going to give me meaning. But you spend all your money and your time pouring into this child, who may not like you. They may not be anything like you, you know, they might want to do some things you don’t even understand, and so it’s a sacrifice to be a parent. Maybe you get it back, maybe you don’t, but I think if you go into it with that, you can support your child in a better way so they can be who they’re born to be, because our kids come through us. They’re not, that’s it, they just come through us.

Julie Hilsen: 20:42

We nurture them, we love them and it’s like having a little bird and the symbology of the empty nest, you know someone said I’m not an empty nester, I’m a bird releaser soul and they are part of you.

Julie Hilsen: 21:08

Like I did read that our children share, we have like this DNA bond that doesn’t leave. Like it’s more than just the chromosomes, it’s like an energetic connection. Yes, we feel their pain. Like it’s what a test of unconditional love, because for them to grow, they need to let you down and you need to re-embrace them. Yeah, and it’s. It’s what more divine feminine concept than unconditional love? Okay, so we did maiden and then this next step, where you get your identity is yeah, that’s the first seductress.

Laura Giles: 21:38

So this we call it seductress, because they’re coming into their sexual energy and their sexual being, but it’s really more than that. But this is the place where society says, okay, this is what a woman is.

Julie Hilsen: 21:52

You’re a sexual creature.

Laura Giles: 21:53

So you see, all these everything’s about sex, sex sells. You know that’s what we’re allowed to be and if you don’t break free and become your own self, then that can be the rest of your life because that’s what society says which you can be. And then after that it sets you up to be the mother, that nurturer, that caretaker, that creator. Because you’ve had all this other experience, I know who I am and now I can help you to be who you are. I think women have to have that experience to be healthy mothers. And then, after they leave the nest, that’s the second seductress phase.

Laura Giles: 22:30

So I’ve done all this and now I get to be myself again. I get to touch base with who am I now. Who am I after having had these experiences of nurturing? Because it’s a very different person than you were the first time you were at the sedentary. So I still am sexy, I’m still vital, I still have all this stuff to offer, but I’m not a hands-on mom anymore and maybe I’ve done the career thing.

Laura Giles: 22:56

You know, I’ve. I’ve conquered all, I’ve done all the things I need to do and yet there’s still all this life in me. What am I going to do now? Who am I going to be now, and that sets us up to be the crone then. So once I’m old, now, the energy shifts again and as the children are coming from the spirit world, I’m heading to the spirit world with all of this wisdom and I have more touch with the spirit world. So that’s assisting me and I think this is the space of the wholeness, or at least that’s what I thought. So we did an initiation into womanhood and as part of that initiation we touched all of those archetypes and what I found is that they’re always in us all the time. It’s not like we go to these spaces.

Julie Hilsen: 23:40

Yeah, yeah, yes, all of them. Yeah, that’s what just came to me. I’m like gosh, you know, like you go in and out and I think it’s sort of fun to play in the different ones, like, be the maiden, connect with your inner child, you know, and ask her what she’s feeling, because sometimes these feelings, these emotions, is rational but it’s coming from somewhere. You got to get quiet and say, well, what is this really? Hey, I get that, I get that abandonmentment. I get, yeah, you know these, these things that you just you need to recognize and and love it and say, yeah, that’s there, but really this is what you’re getting right now and you are supported and people do care about you and and don’t don’t feel like an idiot because you have these feelings, because it’s that’s that part of your inner maiden who’s reaching out for reassurance that she didn’t get it.

Julie Hilsen: 24:31

She didn’t get it and it’s okay, everybody’s been let down. No parent’s perfect, no child’s perfect. We’ve all. We all need grace, right? So, you know, beating yourself up about your vulnerabilities is like, please, you know, I do it, I’ll catch myself and I’ll be like this is just so irrational. I’m just, I’m just so emotional. I’m so, you know, sensitive, you know, because I was always a sensitive child, so, and I’ll be like gosh, julie, you’re doing it again and like, oh yeah, it’s my inner child and she needs a hug and it’s going to be okay. And you know, and you can see people in the community, their inner child’s come out, their inner children come out and you’re like, oh yeah, I see it, it’s like this thing that erupts. And you’re like, whoa, that’s like a two-year-old in the grocery store having a fit. And it’s like, no, it’s their inner child and everyone has it and it’s okay, like it’s it’s normal. And I do believe these solar flares and all this energetics are making it worse, because we got to run through it.

Laura Giles: 25:30

We got to run through it, my gosh.

Julie Hilsen: 25:33

So then. So we have the inner maiden, the first seductress, the second seductress and then the crone you said that and the mother and the crone. Yeah, the mother and the crone.

Laura Giles: 25:44

And that’s the four.

Julie Hilsen: 25:46

And so we move in and out, and all of them are precious.

Laura Giles: 25:50

All of them are aided.

Julie Hilsen: 25:51

There’s not one better than the other.

Laura Giles: 25:54

But I do think it’s important to touch all of them because, as I’ve been looking around and looking for the crone to lead me to the next phase of life and someone to help, there aren’t a lot of crones in this world and I think if you’re stuck in that seductious phase where all your value is about sex and beauty, well, that crone doesn’t develop.

Julie Hilsen: 26:22

And that might be why it’s unfulfilling. Yeah, I mean, and to me and and I’ve gone through this I’m like, well, am I living to please everyone else or am I living for my own joy? And when you’re living for a sexual satisfaction, yes, that might be a temporary high like, even like buying, like, a pair of shoes that you love, but you know the, the joy and the depth of your inner peace, in your knowingness that your, your values and your truth aren’t tied to any, yes, any activity or any other relationship. It’s, it’s your relationship with yourself, yes, and then you can come to that seductress in a different way when you choose to go there, but you have everything you need and you remember it all as your mother crone. I want to hold space for that, because I do. I agree with you a hundred million times percent is that we are as a society. We are not. There isn’t a lot of people holding space for that, for the mother crone.

Julie Hilsen: 27:27

Yeah, so I’m delighted to bring that forward. Yeah, when you’re in the presence of it.

Nurturing the Sacred Feminine Within

Laura Giles: 27:32

It’s just awesome, awesome, and I think that’s one of the reasons why we don’t have it is because it’s so scary, like how can you be in that power unless you’re really confident?

Julie Hilsen: 27:45

Well, you can’t, you don’t give a shit.

Laura Giles: 27:48

Exactly. It doesn’t matter, you don’t need anyone’s validation.

Julie Hilsen: 27:53

You’re not judging anybody, you’re not judging yourself. In the feminine enlightenment like we have, we have I want to say, gosh, I can’t even think of my brain today. We have a lot of masculine masters I’m thinking of Tibetan monks and I’m thinking of the Indian men who live in the caves. There’s just a lot of masculine, very spiritual, enlightened beings and I think a lot of feminine sacredness has been tied to our sexuality. So, getting beyond that, it takes owning it. It takes owning it and it’s you know. All parts of it are beautiful. Wow to know. There’s different benchmarks. There’s different. Not that you have to go, but they’re there. Yeah, they’re there if you want to go there, and it’s okay. Either way, don’t put this isn’t to put pressure on anybody, right? You want to stay in your maiden? There’s a place for that too, right? Like it’s just that this is here.

Laura Giles: 28:57

I think that living fully invites that. Though the trends, I mean it’s just like the seasons. You know spring always gives way to summer and when you’re in a space of mindfulness and you’re being, you know you’re allowing things to be as they are. It does transition and everything’s there. It does go in and out, it’s like the seasons, but I think you will get there. If you’re just going along with the ride, you know the flow takes you there.

Julie Hilsen: 29:23

Your joy, your joy will take you and it might not be easy. I mean definitely there’s roadblocks like to get to anything worthwhile. There’s going to be a challenge.

Laura Giles: 29:32

I think that’s good, because it gives it meaning.

Julie Hilsen: 29:35

And then it gives you the confidence because you overcome the challenges.

Julie Hilsen: 29:38

And that’s how the mother crown. I love that, laura. Thank you so much. This has been such a delightful conversation and we’re reaching the end of our time. But what would you like? I know your website is amazing. It’s not you, it’s me, sanctuary. I have it up on my screen right now. It’s playerlaurageilsorg. Yeah, so visit Laura there. She has a lot there. And is there anything else you want to direct anyone who might want to know more about these wonderful sanctuaries you’ve made? Every little thing you’ve done is a sanctuary for something beautiful.

Laura Giles: 30:15

Yeah, I guess I would just say for people to find that within themselves, so that you can always have it. If you take it with you, then you always have it.

Julie Hilsen: 30:23

And when you go on a sacred journey or trip, you decide to take time away. Having that intention is the most important thing. That makes it a sanctuary. It doesn’t matter like you said where you go or who you go with. It’s beautiful.

Laura Giles: 30:40

And don’t.

Julie Hilsen: 30:42

This is something that’s come to me. We’re just coming off, a Memorial Day and there are certain things that are associated with vacation that you know and I’m not judging, I’m not saying anyone’s right or wrong. Feeding your soul Are you feeding into a paradigm of you need to go out and party or you need to. You need to, you know, be drinking beer at noon to have a vacation and what’s resonating with you. And, like I said, no judgment.

Choosing Soul-Feeding Vacations

Julie Hilsen: 31:17

I’ve gone on trips where you know that was a thing and but lately I’ve been taking more time to just nurture, stretch, go for long walks. You know, taking more time to just nurture, stretch, go for long walks. You know I’d like to bring my dog on vacation now because, like it’s, I feel sad to leave her. You know, question are you following like a society expectation when you’re going vacation or are you following what’s going to feed your soul? So that’s my challenge. And as we’re getting into the summer months and people are taking time off, you know, just because it’s expected doesn’t mean you have to.

Julie Hilsen: 31:53

And you know I guess I’m going back to like three episodes ago. We talked about, you know question, the drink and you know if you’re having alcohol and it makes you feel bad all night and the next day. Is that really feeding your soul? Is that really worth what that drink did for that short amount of time that you felt like you escaped? And what are you escaping? You know, go on vacation not to cloud or dull yourself, but to experience yourself. And is alcohol doing that for you? I just want to put that out there because it’s really on my heart and maybe it’s my age and I just can’t process alcohol anymore and I’m not fun anymore. No, I am fun, I promise you I’m fun. At least I’m fun to myself. But yeah, I don’t mean to get all serious on vacation. I just want to put it out there that you might have more fun if you follow your way and not just do what’s expected or what is going to feed the resorts economy. That’s what I’m saying. Thanks for letting me vent about that.

Laura Giles: 33:06

Yeah, I think if people go on an inner journey, then the outer journey will change. Yes, the intention.

Julie Hilsen: 33:14

The intention. I love it. Laura, thank you so much, and anytime you want to be on Life of Love, you come back.

Laura Giles: 33:20

Awesome. Thank you, all the best, thank you.