Julie Hilsen (00:01)
Thank you, thank you creator, God, universal force. Thank you for bringing Brent and I together today. I honor his time, I honor his journey. I welcome in my guides and my angels to come forth, my Akashic team to help us bring forth a message with clarity, with intensity to reach the ears that need to hear and the hearts that need to soften for their highest good.

Brent Michael Phillips (00:03)
Thank you, creator.

so be today. I’m honored to be here today and hope it’s a journey.

and then my wife and my angels to come forth with a team to help us.

Julie Hilsen (00:32)
Help us bring forth a message that’s needed the most at this time for the advancement of humanity, for the advancement of the things that we need to get through or the things that are keeping us in a vibration. Please help us to clear old patterns or codes that might be restricting our growth.

Brent Michael Phillips (00:53)
Restricting our flow.

Julie Hilsen (00:57)
With your permission, I invite Brent’s team in and if they’re willing to collaborate, we will produce this episode and with all the love in our hearts to bring forth curiosity of an open mind. And we do this so you may work through us and for us again for the highest good. Please take what serves you and leave what doesn’t. And so it is.

Brent Michael Phillips (01:10)
you

Julie Hilsen (01:26)
Hello dear friends and welcome to another episode of Life of Love where we gather each week to explore what the life of love looks like today. And what continually blows my mind is that it looks different on each day, even in each moment. So it’s a constant choice to go toward your highest good, to go toward love and have compassion and love for yourself, even if you feel like you missed and knowing that it’s okay. And they’re all here. So I invite you to come with a curious mind.

Brent Michael Phillips (01:31)
more of the life of love looks like today. And what continually blows my mind is that it looks different on each day, even in each moment. So it’s a constant choice to go toward your highest good, to go toward love, and have compassion and love for yourself, even if you feel like you missed in knowing that it’s

So I invite you to come with a curious mind

as we welcome Michael Phillips to Michael’s Love. We’ve been looking forward to this so much. He’s an MIT graduate, which is always exciting to have an engineer and a scientific mind come forward to help merge spirituality and science. And it’s really a good place to be. He’s been about the healing for many years. He’s gone through his own journey of healing. He’s also got some work in him.

Julie Hilsen (01:55)
as we welcome Brent Michael Phillips to Life of Love. I’ve been looking forward to this so much. He’s an MIT graduate, which is always exciting to have an engineer and a scientific mind come forward to help merge spirituality and science. And it’s a gooey place to be. He’s been involved with energy healing for many years. He’s gone through his own journey of healing, and he’s also a bestselling author. So

we’re going to get into his new e-book.

Brent Michael Phillips (02:22)
We’re going get into his new ebook

Julie Hilsen (02:24)
about holography, how to triple your income by shaking your hands. So that’s going to be a really fun topic. And, you know, I’m looking forward to hear how he takes a scientific mindset to help us meet spirituality and quantum

Brent Michael Phillips (02:24)
about holography, how to triple your income by shaking your hands. So that’s going to be a really fun topic. And I’m looking forward to hear how he takes this idea of a mindset to help us meet spirituality.

Julie Hilsen (02:38)
physics. So without further ado, welcome to the show, Brent. Thanks for being here.

Brent Michael Phillips (02:43)
to be here. This is great.

Julie Hilsen (02:45)
Well, yeah, I your story, I downloaded your book and it’s just, it’s well written and it’s quick. Like think I’m halfway through it and I didn’t have a ton of time to read the whole thing, but I got into it enough that it’s a fun read and you feel like you’re going down this path with you. So I encourage people to pick that up. It’s an ebook. yeah, and it’s not your first book.

Brent Michael Phillips (02:48)
I downloaded your book and it’s just, it’s well written and it’s quick. Like I think I’m halfway through it and I didn’t have a ton of time to read the whole thing but I got into it enough.

going down this path with you. I encourage you to…

Yeah, and it’s not your first book.

You’ve been guiding people and you have a very active community on your website. Would you like to share, I guess my first question was…

Julie Hilsen (03:13)
guiding people and you have a very active community on your website. would you like to share, I guess my first question is,

you you’re involved with website development, the internet was just coming out and you said, I’m done with my PhD, I’m just gonna get right into the workforce. But how did you transition from, you know, building websites for huge companies like Disney to being spiritual? Was it your healing path for your body or?

Brent Michael Phillips (03:23)
You were involved with website development, and the internet was just coming out, you said, I’m going to write my PhD, I’m just going to get right into the work. How did you transition from building websites for huge companies like Disney to being spiritual? it your feelings after your party,

or did you it was up and down? Well, let’s just say it wasn’t my first choice. As it happens with a lot of people doing this work, a lot of heathers especially,

Julie Hilsen (03:42)
Do think it was all combined with body and soul?

Brent Michael Phillips (03:52)
It wasn’t so much I woke up one day and decided I wanted to be a healer. I didn’t pick it, it picked me, as they say. It’s a calling, not a career. And had you known me when I was young, it wasn’t even on my radar. Never would have imagined I’d do anything like this. Because growing up, I was pretty much a typical nerd. I loved Star Wars and Star Trek and Dungeons and Dragons and video games and all those things, right? And when I was an undergrad at MIT, that’s when I discovered the internet.

And I was like, wow, there’s this amazing worldwide computer network. It’s going to change the world, right? And so I made that the focus of my studies. And then when I was in graduate school, I did a lot of really cool stuff. My research group was part of one of the founding members of what’s today called the World Wide Web Consortium. I contributed code to the Apache server. And it was, I think, in April of 1994, me and two of my lab mates, we sent the first ever

Julie Hilsen (04:28)
Mm-hmm

Brent Michael Phillips (04:52)
live synchronized audio video stream over the web. So it was a really exciting time. And as you said, I didn’t want to stick around to finish my PhD because the gold rush was happening. Right? It was the gold rush of my lifetime. And so I left MIT, moved to California, recruited my lifelong best friend, and started a company making websites. And that was in…

Julie Hilsen (05:04)
Yeah.

Brent Michael Phillips (05:17)
early 1995 and it was so funny because the very first website I ever built in my entire life was the website for the launch of the Sony PlayStation. So cool stuff, right? We did the websites for Nissan Motors. We did the first website for Disneyland. So lot of cool stuff going on. We then started a second company to make video games, but specifically online games.

Julie Hilsen (05:30)
Yeah.

Brent Michael Phillips (05:43)
Today they’re called MOGs, or Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games. But back then they were just a dream. And we had a lot of success at first, but I was there at the office pretty much 80 to 100 hours a week. All I did was work. It was nuts. All day, all night, seven days a week, no breaks, no holidays, no vacations. And I figured I’ll sacrifice a couple years of my life, and I’ll make millions of dollars, and…

Maybe by the time I’m 30, I’ll retire to a tropical island or something, right?

The Dark Night of the Soul

Julie Hilsen (06:16)
That was such an exciting time because I don’t know if a lot of people have context, but we used to have dedicated devices like the Atari that you plugged in your Atari if you wanted to play video games. You didn’t go to your computer. was like, and I remember

Brent Michael Phillips (06:18)
It was.

Yep. Right.

And you had the little cartridges that had the games, Yep.

Julie Hilsen (06:32)
Yeah, with the games, exactly.

And then, yeah, you’re just bringing me down memory lane. I remember I took a course in science in the 90s, and my professor said, email me your questions. And I was like, your office is right here. Why would I go to the computer lab to give you that? And I remember it was like an orange Matrix screen.

Brent Michael Phillips (06:48)
How do I do that? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, remember when there were some people that printed out all the emails? I always thought that was hilarious. It’s like kind of defeats the purpose, right?

Julie Hilsen (07:00)
Yes!

Right? When we were in transition, right? And so it was such an exciting time that, you know, you could push a button and not have to wait three days or seven days to get a response. Yeah, totally.

Brent Michael Phillips (07:08)
Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, we really thought the sky was the limit, but the

brutal work schedule, long story short, destroyed my health. I suffered really severe repetitive stress injuries and there was a lot more going on. It took me decades to understand it all. I had contracted Lyme disease on a camping trip I didn’t know about. I was suffering from chemical poisoning. I mean, go on and on. And so it can. It can.

Julie Hilsen (07:24)
Okay.

Yeah, that Lyme disease can really mess people up and it gets

undiagnosed. You’re not the only one. That’s a whole nother rabbit hole to go down.

Brent Michael Phillips (07:48)
And so I started having a lot of pain and my

ability to work and went from a hundred hours a week to 80 to 60 to 40 to 20 to about 10. I could barely move. I was in so much pain and long story short, I went to doctors. They sent me to physical therapy and pain drugs and all that didn’t help me. And after three years of physical therapy, I remember I was so excited. I got, finally got an appointment to see the head doctor at Curlin Joe.

which is one of the top physical therapy clinics in the world. And I was like, wow, this guy will know what to do, right? Because at this point I had had to move in with my parents. I could only drive short distances. I could barely work. know, I was just in constant pain. It was really a nightmare. And I remember I was so excited to see the doctor and he’s looking at my medical records and he just goes, well, I’m sorry, son. There’s nothing I or anyone can do for you. You never be able to get back to work.

Julie Hilsen (08:23)
you.

Brent Michael Phillips (08:45)
You’ll never be out of pain. And I was dumbfounded. I’m like, what? And the last thing he said to me before I left his office, he said, son, do you got someone that can take care of you until you die? And he recommended me for lifetime disability and I was 27 years old. So that that that was crushing. And so I went to tell my lifelong best friend and business partner and I figured he’d be all, hey, Brent,

Julie Hilsen (09:01)
my gosh.

Brent Michael Phillips (09:15)
We’ll get through this together. I got your back. No. He just said, well, if you can’t work, you have no place here. So he fired me from the companies I had founded. I was, but he had played games with the documents, Ford signatures, done all the shady stuff. So basically he stole the companies from me, fired me. And what I call the cherry on top of the hot fudge Sunday.

Julie Hilsen (09:25)
I was going to say, weren’t you the one who recruited him?

Brent Michael Phillips (09:41)
I also found out he had been secretly dating the woman I was crazy in love with. And so he sold the website company for millions of dollars behind my back. And, you know, I had destroyed my body and lost my career to make him rich. And I was left living with my parents, collecting a tiny bit of money on disability, being told there was no hope of recovery. I’d never be out of pain. I could never work again. Essentially my life was over. And yeah.

I also lost my lifelong best friend. So this was, you know, as they say, classic dark night of the soul. So to make a long story very short, I started using drugs, day drinking, suicidal behavior, all these things. I had a friend of mine turn me on to alternative medicine. And at first I was really excited. I’m like, hey, maybe this can work, right? So I started going for acupuncture and the Chinese medicine treatments. you know, I did cleanses and I…

Julie Hilsen (10:13)
Right. Right.

Sure.

Brent Michael Phillips (10:39)
started doing yoga and Pilates and all these things on and on chiropractors, homeopaths osteopaths, da da da. And so for five years, I was basically chasing treatment full time. Living with my parents, spending the little bit of money I got from disability to pay for treatments and running up a huge credit card debt. And so five years later, I wasn’t getting any better and I was so frustrated. Nothing made any difference for me.

And I agreed to have an experimental surgery, mainly because my workers’ compensation lawyer told me he might be able to get me more money if I had the surgery. And so I was like, okay, and yes, exactly, exactly. But I was so desperate. I said yes. And of course had the surgery fixed me and cured all my pain, I wouldn’t be here, right? I would have gone right back to the world of engineering. But instead I woke up from the surgery and my right arm was paralyzed.

Julie Hilsen (11:17)
so you’re treating yourself like a lab rat basically. Yeah.

Brent Michael Phillips (11:36)
So that was kind of the bottom. And I couldn’t use my arm for about six months. And I tried all sorts of things, physical therapy and splints and manipulations. Nothing worked. And I went to see this, as I used to say, crazy healer lady. She was an old friend of my aunt Lauren. And she had had her own journey. And for her, was a black mold. She had nearly been killed by a black mold exposure.

Julie Hilsen (11:40)
Hmm.

Discovering Energy Healing

Brent Michael Phillips (12:04)
and found this process of energy healing, something to do with subconscious blocks that saved her life. And so I went to, and I only went to see her because after a lot of nagging, my aunt was like, Brent, if you go see her, I will pay for the session and take you out to dinner. I was like, all right, I’m in, right? And I didn’t expect anything to help me. Cause again, I’d had hundreds of sessions of acupuncture and bodywork and homeopaths and all these things for years and years and nothing helped me at all.

Julie Hilsen (12:20)
You

And you were lacking hope, I’m sure.

Brent Michael Phillips (12:33)
And yeah,

I was just there to get a free dinner, right? So yeah, yeah, get her off my back. I’m like, okay, I need to show you this doesn’t help. Nothing can help me. Then you’ll leave me alone, right? Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, you know, I remember Terry talked to me about how the subconscious worked and how subconscious blocks affect us and showed me how to check for blocks and asked me a lot of questions. And it was all very interesting. But I’m like, you hey lady, I’m not here to talk about my feelings, right?

Julie Hilsen (12:39)
And make your aunt happy probably because you’re nice.

then you’ll see, I told you so.

Brent Michael Phillips (13:04)
here because I can’t move my arm and I’m in a lot of pain and I didn’t see how talking about my childhood was gonna help with that but anyhow she did this block clearing thing with me at the end of the hour she’s like okay dear we’re gonna heal your arm now and I’m like yeah lady you and what army right and I it was the craziest thing I’m like looking out the window you know thinking about what I want to get for lunch on the way home and as she’s

kind of went into a trance and about a minute later there was this loud crack and pop in my elbow. And you know, it was like the cracks you normally get with aging, but like times a hundred. It was like kaboom, right? Like someone set off a firecracker. Yep. And this is, this was all done with the mind. There was no touching, no hands on, nothing you take. Nope. Just conversation across the room. And I remember I was like, Whoa.

Julie Hilsen (13:44)
and you are just laying, you’re just inactive. She’s just.

Brent Michael Phillips (13:59)
And I remember Terry opened her eyes, she was all, okay, let’s try your arm again. And I could not believe it. You my paralyzed arm had instantly healed. And so that’s the shortest as I can make it version of how this very much died in the wool, rational pragmatist scientist and engineer became a full-time energy healing practitioner and spiritual teacher. But I do want to tell the truth here because there’s a lot of people that make a lot of big claims. They’re full of crap.

Julie Hilsen (14:22)
Bye!

Brent Michael Phillips (14:28)
that it was not I did one session and all my problems were solved. No. What did happen was my arm, which had been paralyzed by the surgery, instantly healed. All the chronic pain I’d been in that had led me to that, none of that changed immediately. That took a lot more work, a lot more time, a lot more effort. But I had experienced a genuine miracle. And I remember thinking, well, gee, I got to learn this stuff, right?

Julie Hilsen (14:57)
because you’re a scientific mind and right, yeah.

Brent Michael Phillips (14:57)
And yeah, and it

was kind of funny at first I thought, well, this shouldn’t be too hard. Because you I had had straight A’s in the most difficult major at what’s probably the most competitive university on the planet, right? Like how hard can energy healing be? Let me tell you, I was terrible. I was awful at it. Yes, I was so much in my mind. And now no one told me that I didn’t understand it at the time. All I knew was I couldn’t do it.

Julie Hilsen (15:11)
Great.

Yeah, I think because you’ve got to get out of here and get into here.

Brent Michael Phillips (15:27)
So what I decided to do, it was kind of a novel approach. I decided to reverse engineer. So when I started, I figured it would take me maybe six months. It actually took almost 12 years, but you So I started working with all the healers and gurus and shamans and stages and such. And little by little, I took very careful notes and observed, and I started to figure out what it is they were doing. And that was my path to

unlocking what we call the formula for miracles. And so, you know, and again, it’s, I wish it was as simple as, Brent went to a healer and lived happily ever after. Real life isn’t that simple, is it? Right?

Julie Hilsen (16:10)
No, it’s, well, I mean, if we lived in a vacuum, it might be, but things keep coming at us. I mean, even, I’ll give you a personal story. I had a really consistent practice of clearing my energy field. Like I had routines and my husband had surgery, had alot of stress in our house. Like there’s just stuff going on and I just got out of my routine. And I went and my friend…

Brent Michael Phillips (16:12)
Sure.

We need to have consistent practice of clearing energy for of our routines. And my husband had surgery.

My friend,

Julie Hilsen (16:36)
Dr. Carolyn, she does a monthly angel group and she saw me yesterday. She’s like, you haven’t been doing your, your light is different. You’re not doing your energy clearing. And I was like, my God, I hadn’t And it’s not a hard thing, but I just wasn’t doing it. I wasn’t maintaining my light. you know, I don’t even have, I didn’t even have any like serious medical conditions that I could speak of other than foggy brain and just

Brent Michael Phillips (16:36)
Karen, Dr. Pound, she was on the angel group and she saw me yesterday. She’s like, you haven’t been doing your light as different. You’re not doing your energy clearing. And I was like, my god, I had it. And it’s not a hard thing, but I just wasn’t doing it. It wasn’t maintaining my light. And I didn’t even have any serious medical conditions that I could speak of other than foggy brain and.

Julie Hilsen (17:03)
feeling like crap.

Brent Michael Phillips (17:05)
Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (17:06)
I didn’t have any

paralysis that got me into healing or energy work, but I knew that it was important and I forgot and she could see it. That was a huge like light bulb moment for me last night when the angels admonished me for not doing my energy. I’m like, okay, I got it. You’re right. You’re absolutely right. Usually in the shower, I just ask anything that doesn’t serve me to be taken by the water and transmuted.

Brent Michael Phillips (17:15)
Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (17:35)
I have a ritual and it’s just like total cleansing or I even ask the light to come down and clear my aura. But I don’t have to get into that. I want to talk about your stuff. to that point, it’s like a constant. You have to constantly because there’s so much coming. Last week we had the election. There’s so much going on in our consciousness and we are sensitive beings. take it all on. We just do. Even like you said in your book, in utero, you have things.

Brent Michael Phillips (17:43)
Yeah. Sure.

The Role of the Subconscious in Healing

Julie Hilsen (18:04)
So that’s why I wanted to dig in, because it seemed to me like the subconscious was like when she worked in your subconscious level, that’s when your arm popped. And seems like subconscious is like the gooey, the key.

Brent Michael Phillips (18:13)
Yep. It’s really the key.

Because again, I had done all sorts of physical treatments, the physical therapy, body work, I had done the alternative stuff, right? Homeopaths, osteopaths, chiropractors, know, reiki healing and pranic healing and all these things. And there’s nothing wrong with any of it. But none of it moved the needle. Didn’t make it

Julie Hilsen (18:26)
Mm-hmm.

And that’s what

makes it hard sometimes because you’re like, it’s subconscious, why do I want to dig into it? But you’re saying big changes.

Brent Michael Phillips (18:42)
Yeah.

Right. Well, only if you want to see real big changes in your life. And

so, you know, working with all sorts of amazing people, you know, I went to, you know, I’ve been to at least a hundred different training seminars. I’ve read a couple thousand books, right. Done so many sessions. And what I found was this, that all these different systems and modalities, law of attraction, energy, healing, intuition and mind power, I see it as technology.

And, you know, because that’s what it is. And I, what I learned was that there’s roughly three categories we can put it into what I call the first, second and third generation. And the first generation of self-improvement or consciousness technology is how I think about it is kind of your typical positive thinking law of attraction. So they’ll tell you to focus on the positive and make a vision board and say your mantras and all that. And again, those are good things to do.

But for a lot of people, it doesn’t move the needle. A lot of us have spent time and money watching The Secret, going to law of attraction programs, paying coaches, and it’s very exciting, but then nothing changes. And that’s been the experience that over 99 % of people that do your traditional law of attraction feel they get fewer no results. But we know there’s something there, right? And that leads us into the second generation. This is where things get interesting.

In the second generation of these technologies, we start to develop specific methods to directly work with the subconscious. So examples of what second gen technologies would be things like psych K, emotion code and body code or theta healing and things like that, NLP. And with the second generation, this is where things get exciting because this is where we start to see medical miracles occur. This is where you start to see

not just one in a thousand people but like one in ten have legitimate life-changing miracles and I have seen roughly two thousand miracles in my clients in the 20 some years I’ve done this so it’s not everyone it’s not all the time but they happen people heal instantly from cancer or migraines or back pain or whatever it is and so the subconscious is key

If you really want to see results, you almost always have to engage the subconscious and that’s the difference. The trouble is the second generation has its limits too. There are some things it’s very good at, others it’s not so good at. So if me or someone I knew was diagnosed with cancer or had an injury or something like that, those are the tools I go to. They’re very good for physical health. What they don’t do is they don’t have the ability to make a difference in terms of precedent.

of presence, confidence, charisma. And in practical terms, this is more about relationships, money and career. So, you know, I’ve done so many law of attraction programs, positive thinking weekends, right? For the most part, you’re just kind of wasting your money. I would tell my students, just go read Think and Grow Rich, you’re all set. Everything you ever need to know.

The second generation is really cool, because that’s when we start shifting the subconscious and seeing miracles. But it’s very difficult. One of the biggest challenges for many people is money, money and career. How do I make more money? And I found the second gen tools, other than occasional sort of lucky breakthroughs, don’t make a big difference. And so what happened on my journey very quickly was after I worked with Terry, I spent time learning to be a healer.

took all sorts of trainings, right, practice groups and started my professional business over 20 years ago now. And in the next five years, I made a lot of progress. I got off a disability. I started making money. I started dating again. I was able to reduce my pain. never totally disappeared. But I’d say on an average day, my pain went from like an eight, which is pretty crippling and life shattering down to maybe a four.

which is annoying and limiting, but night and day difference from an eight, right? I could drive my car across town, I could go out to concerts, right? All these things I couldn’t do before. And it was great. I was able to start saving money and investing. I paid off a gigantic credit card debt and that was all great. And then five years later, my life blew up again. And long story short, yep, it was around money and love, which…

Julie Hilsen (23:04)
But yeah, like the difference, yeah, you had hope.

Yeah.

And that was around the financial thing again, right?

Mm-hmm.

Brent Michael Phillips (23:29)
Both come out of the same energy center in the body. They’re very closely connected the the chakra actually second chakra the the the navel chakra Yep the root of survival and Then the the navel chakra is a sensuality pleasure your experience of life Because that’s what money does right gives you a better experience of life as do relationships and so long story short I suffered the worst heartbreak of my whole life

Julie Hilsen (23:33)
the solar plexus.

You get your root chakra, then your survival, then your solar plexus.

Mm-hmm. Right.

Brent Michael Phillips (23:59)
At the same time, I hired unknowingly a criminal to be my financial advisor. And he not only robbed me blind and stole every penny from me, he had also, without my knowledge, he had refinanced my home and taken out loans. And it, yeah, yeah, it was a nightmare. And long story short, I was over a million dollars in debt.

Julie Hilsen (24:16)
He had borrowed against your, my gosh.

Brent Michael Phillips (24:24)
And so.

Navigating Life’s Challenges and Setbacks

Julie Hilsen (24:24)
So, okay,

I’m just like, I’m blown away here because the universe was testing these areas of your life. Like you were there and then you had betrayal and loss of love, which wasn’t even realized yet, just your confidence, know, like that relationship. And then you built yourself up again and the game of life is just like, hell no, we’re gonna rip this out. There’s something, there was something that needed to get triggered in you.

Brent Michael Phillips (24:32)
Yep.

built yourself up again in the game of life. It’s just like, hell no. There’s something, there’s something that need to get triggered in

you. And I applaud you because you didn’t give up. Well, I’m not sure it’s worthy of applause, but it’s more out of desperation and lack of options than other things. But yeah, so.

Julie Hilsen (24:52)
and I applaud you because you didn’t give up. You kept playing and it’s amazing you started making video games.

Yeah, but

did you see the parallel? You started making these video games and then your life was set up like a reality game where you’re like, and I’m not belittling your situation at all. I’m just like, I’m blown away that you had these situations that kept pummeling you and you’re like, I gotta figure this out. You hired your relationship coach and you had realized you had to

Brent Michael Phillips (25:14)
Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (25:33)
declare bankruptcy.

Mm-hmm.

And you’re a victim of fraud, right? that’s, yeah, I mean, anyone would do that.

Right, rightly so. I hope that person didn’t to jail. Okay, justice.

Yeah. No, and it didn’t get you your relationships. Yeah.

Brent Michael Phillips (26:03)
Long

story short, I had to declare bankruptcy and it was devastating. I had been through so much. I’d worked so hard to rebuild my life and now it was all gone again. And this time I didn’t even have disability to fall back on. That was gone too. And so it was funny that my life coach, his name was Brian, I worked with him for over a hundred hours, mainly around dating and he couldn’t do anything with me.

Julie Hilsen (26:05)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

Mmm.

Brent Michael Phillips (26:30)
And so he said, well, Brent, we’re going to have to kick you up the food chain to the master. And it’s a true story that it was what 16 years ago now on Monday, I declared bankruptcy on Tuesday. I had my first, what they call movement session with Carl. And I went down and I met him by the beach. And basically he was this crazy old guy that had me put on rollerblades and he videotaped me.

skating in circles in the parking lot by the beach.

Julie Hilsen (27:01)
You’re

like, have I gone insane? Like, this is really happening. You rented your roller blades and he sat in the car. I was reading your book and I was like, my God, I’m just picturing this. He’s like, I can see him hanging out the window. He didn’t get out the car and you’re like doing circles in the parking lot.

Brent Michael Phillips (27:06)
Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah, I’m like, know,

roll of leading in circles for about 20 minutes. And then he invited me into the car and he played back the tape. And basically what it felt like he just ripped me a new one. It was all this criticism about my energy leaking here and there and this myth and that myth. And I was really annoyed because I’m like, dude, I know I’m a mess, right? I just went bankrupt yesterday and I paid him $500.

Julie Hilsen (27:36)
Mm-hmm.

And you paid him $500 to be…

Brent Michael Phillips (27:44)
for the privilege

of being told that my life was a mess. so, yeah, exactly. There’s all these things wrong with my energy field and this and that. And so I remember I went home kind of upset and annoyed and I called Brian to chew his butt off. I’m like, dude, what is wrong with you? I just spent my last $500 to have this crazy guy yell at me about how I’m leaking energy, right? And I was upset because he hadn’t done anything to fix me.

Julie Hilsen (27:48)
to be told that you’re an energy leak and you’re, you know.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

You can’t make this stuff up.

Brent Michael Phillips (28:15)
Right? And so I remember Brian,

goes, Brent, I get it. You he says, do me this favor, give it three weeks. And he goes, if nothing shifts or changes in three weeks, let me know. I’ll see if I can make it right to you. And I’m like, okay. And I remember I put on my calendar three weeks out, you know, call Brian, chew his butt off about sending me to this kooky guy that took my last $500. Yes, exactly. You know, I’m like, all right, you know, gotcha.

Julie Hilsen (28:38)
Back to I told you so, Brent.

Brent Michael Phillips (28:44)
But it was crazy, it didn’t even take three weeks, it didn’t even take three days. So I had my first session with Carl on Tuesday, and for whole long story we won’t spend time on here, by Thursday night I had made over $50,000. And I had never experienced anything like that before.

Julie Hilsen (29:04)
amazing. Well, I just I mean, we just had 1111. Right? Like was that Sunday was 1111? And yes, yes. Monday was Yeah, that’s right. Because my niece’s birthday is on the 10th. And that was Sunday. Yeah. So I was when I was reading your book, I was like, my God. And then I realized that the year was 2008. Which 2008 adds up to 10, which is another one. You had

Brent Michael Phillips (29:06)
And I was like, wow, right? Yes, Monday, yesterday was 11 11, think. no, yeah, Monday I think was 11 11, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yep. Yes.

Julie Hilsen (29:34)
Five ones

in the whole date, 11-11-2008 was five ones and a zero.

Brent Michael Phillips (29:39)
Yep. Yes, and yes,

the date of my first meeting, Carl, was 11-11-2008.

Julie Hilsen (29:47)
Yeah, so I mean that to me the angels are always talking to me and you are saying how it’s new beginnings is repeating ones. But it’s to me it’s like that you’re supported that that good things are in the you know happening like whenever I see 11 11 on the clock I’m like abundance and love like manifest it like you know these codes these codes that repeat that we notice are so powerful so I couldn’t help but interject that.

Brent Michael Phillips (30:00)
you

Yep,

Julie Hilsen (30:16)
even adding up the year was another one added up tacked on to the end, which I mean, I this stuff just like you said, you can’t make it up. So you,

Brent Michael Phillips (30:16)
pretty crazy, huh?

Julie Hilsen (30:26)
you had a very outstanding week that you’re like, okay, I get it. You know, answer or call received, right? Like,

Brent Michael Phillips (30:29)
Well,

here’s what happened that by the time I had first met Carl, I had been doing energy healing full time for over five years. I had learned, you know, I’m certified in like 27 different modalities, right? I had learned all these things and I had done so much training and research, I could look at almost any kind of healing, intuitive process, law of attraction and kind of pigeonholing.

Because they are all very similar in the same way that all combustion cars work on similar principles, right? Whether it’s a minivan or an SUV or a compact car, they all have similar engine designs. But when I worked with Carl, it didn’t make any sense to me. It was something totally different than I’d never seen before.

Julie Hilsen (31:21)
is completely subconscious because you were just doing a movement, right? There wasn’t any…

Brent Michael Phillips (31:26)
Yeah,

again, I didn’t understand it. And it took me about five years just to have any sense of what was going on. But as I slowly figured out how it worked, this was my introduction to what I call the third generation of consciousness technology. And it’s very different in that you’re still working the subconscious, but it’s a more physical visceral thing. It’s not all bound up in words and language.

Julie Hilsen (31:29)
Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Brent Michael Phillips (31:54)
So most energy healing processes, have you check for beliefs or say mantras or some kind of process or therapy bound up in talk and stories. The third generation is not that. It’s done through movement and entrainment. And if you’ve never done it before, I’ll just warn you, it doesn’t make a lot of sense. It doesn’t fit in the new age box at all. But it takes the power to a whole nother level.

because I had done hundreds of sessions of NLP and hypnosis and theta healing and psych K and emotion, all the things we were familiar with, didn’t change much of anything in terms of money, career, relationships,

Julie Hilsen (32:31)
Mm-hmm.

Right. that’s that’s where you kept getting sucker punched.

Brent Michael Phillips (32:38)
Exactly.

Because ultimately what it comes down to is the first and second gen tools can’t get you out of your head. They, if used improperly can put you deeper. Right.

Julie Hilsen (32:49)
I can, hear you because then you’re like, well, I know better. Why do I keep doing this to myself

or why do I feel this way? I’ve dealt with this, you know? Wow. So

Brent Michael Phillips (32:58)
And we call

it movement feedback holography for very specific reasons, because number one, it’s done through physical movements. It could be rollerblading or shaking your hands or scooping, or it could be anything. And a trained facilitator can watch your movement. And I like to say, see right into your source code. They can see the energies, the myths that are playing out in your life.

Julie Hilsen (33:01)
Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Brent Michael Phillips (33:27)
which most of us are oblivious to. And that’s what Carl did for me that made the huge breakthrough with money. He was able to tell me exactly what was going on inside of me. And we call it holography because everything we do holographically represents the entirety of who we are.

Julie Hilsen (33:47)
Yeah, I read in your book, it’s how you do anything is how you do everything.

Brent Michael Phillips (33:50)
Yes.

And that’s why people will say, well, what’s the best movement? My answer is it doesn’t matter. That’s right. I could watch you brushing your teeth. I could watch you cooking dinner. I could watch you swimming in the pool or bouncing on a trampoline or playing video games, anything. You’re bringing the same archetypal energies to everything you do.

Julie Hilsen (33:56)
It’s everything.

The Power of Movement in Energy Healing

So, okay, so I know you did more than one session with Carl, but that spontaneous result, do think that was Universe saying you’re on the right track to keep going? Because you just watched yourself. It wasn’t like you said, okay, I’m gonna do this movement and clear this vacuum.

Brent Michael Phillips (34:14)
Okay, I know.

I think so. Yeah. And that was exactly why I was upset.

Because it seemed like he was just criticizing me and not doing anything to fix the problems.

Julie Hilsen (34:37)
But your subconscious interpreted his criticisms and some.

Brent Michael Phillips (34:40)
Yes, and this is why it

took me years to understand what was happening. But the short answer is yes. If you’re in the proper attention state, when you receive the feedback, the blocks clear themselves effortlessly. And so there was really something that happened. And really, to put it in simple terms, Carl showed me what I learned from him was that when we’re born, we’re full of life energy.

little baby, right? And we might call it chi or ki or prana or life force or divine flow, all kind of the same thing. What happens though is as we get older, we squeeze it out. Pain, trauma, abuse, disappointment, loss, etc. The metaphor I like is it’s squeezing the toothpaste out of the tube.

Julie Hilsen (35:32)
Yeah, and you notice people start to get all contracted and small as life comes down on them. to me, it’s like the biggest thing is just keeping your space, expanding your space.

Brent Michael Phillips (35:36)
Mm hmm. Yes. Yep.

It’s hard, it’s challenging.

so metaphorically, when we’re born, we got a toothpaste that’s full of, our tube is full of toothpaste. It’s really easy to squeeze out the toothpaste when it’s full, right? So we have plenty of life energy. But again, as we become adults, pain, loss, failure, trauma, frustration, disappointment, each of these starts squeezing out more of the toothpaste. Yep. Sure. Chemicals and emotional toxicity and

Julie Hilsen (35:49)
Tube is full. Yeah.

and environmental trauma like Lyme disease and poisoning and yeah.

Brent Michael Phillips (36:12)
all sorts of things. And we all know what it’s like when the toothpaste, there’s no toothpaste left in the tube and you’re laying on it and rolling on it and pressing on it, trying to get just a little bit out so you can go to the store tomorrow, right? That was me when I met Carl. I had lost all the life force out of myself. I was operating totally from the mind, but I had been disconnected from the quantum field around me. And that’s how I could work so hard and have so much talent and ability and achieve almost nothing.

Julie Hilsen (36:26)
Yeah.

Because you didn’t, your container was all shrunk. There wasn’t any place for it to go.

Brent Michael Phillips (36:42)
And yes, it was all shrunk up.

There was no toothpaste left in the tube. What I learned from Carl was how to get the toothpaste back in the tube. And that’s why I think I was so desperate for life force, for connection, that just that one session made enough of a difference that I started making money. And I’ll never forget the first thing he asked me when I met him down at the beach.

I said, hi, are you Carl? He goes, yes, are you Brent? Okay, that was the first thing asked me, is are you Brent? The second thing he asked me was, are you ready to add a zero to your income?

And I thought it was just like an icebreaker, a joke. No, dude was serious. Now, I said, sure. I think I made a joke out of it. I’m like, sure, I’ll add a lot of zeros on the left side of my.

Julie Hilsen (37:28)
And you said yes, or you said I think so? Or were you, you said sure.

Brent Michael Phillips (37:37)
Right? Because you know, zero one is the same as one. But he was serious that many people that worked with him, yes, would make 10 times more money than they used to. Now, of course, results vary. I did not get a 10X increase. For me, it was more like three or four times. But from when I first started working with them, the next year I had made three to four times more money than I ever had before.

Julie Hilsen (37:41)
You’re like, I can’t go any further.

The Inner Game: Connecting to the Quantum Field

Brent Michael Phillips (38:04)
And again, I don’t want to say it’s not always as easy as one hour and then your life is perfect. But he showed me how to get the life force back into myself using the movements. Yes, and that the life force is what connects us into the quantum field or the divine flow. So when you live in the mind full of trauma and pain and you’re closed off and scarcity, basically you’ve disconnected yourself from the flow of life and you can’t receive this gifts.

Julie Hilsen (38:14)
and how to connect back with the quantum, what’s available to all of us.

I have to ask you,

I’m having a squirrel moment. You have to pardon me. But do you ever watch professional tennis at all?

Brent Michael Phillips (38:40)
Not really, you my dad was big into tennis in the 70s during the tennis craze. Due to the nature of my injuries, tennis was never an option for me.

Julie Hilsen (38:45)
yeah.

Yeah, yeah, you’re. I was just thinking of one of my favorite players. He’s from Russia. Daniel Medvedev. I think he’s amazing person. He is so well spoken and he’s just I just he doesn’t have the flow that a lot of tennis player like Federer has like Federer. You watch him. It’s like watching a ballerina, but Medvedev he can. He’s an alchemist out there. He just makes things happen and.

Brent Michael Phillips (39:07)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (39:18)
But this last week, he got very frustrated with the court. Sometimes he gets frustrated with court conditions, but he got so mentally broke down, probably physically, and I just wanted you to watch. I wanted to see if you’d seen him play, but he decided to return a serve with his racket handle going forward instead of the frame. Because he’s just like, I might as well just use my handle because he was so, he just had a mental breakdown. said, well, the.

Brent Michael Phillips (39:29)
Yeah, yeah

Julie Hilsen (39:46)
Later on,

I read that he said it was just the wear and tear of the circuit, that his schedule was so packed that he sort of just melted down. And I felt bad because it’s not usually how he competes, but I knew there was something going on. But I was wondering if when you watch sports, basically, can you tell who’s going to win? Like when you’re watching football by their energy patterns and…

Brent Michael Phillips (40:07)
Yes. Yes,

in fact, one of my students, we will sometimes watch MMA matches. And we can usually tell who’s going to win by reading their energy as they’re coming out, because it’s a little hard to articulate, but

Julie Hilsen (40:17)
yeah.

Mm-hmm. That’s so amazing.

Brent Michael Phillips (40:25)
When someone is very connected into the quantum field, they have a different quality. It’s hypnotic.

And it’s funny because Carl was an openly gay man his whole life, but he loved to talk about strippers as a metaphor. And he would say, if you go to the strip club, the dancers that make the most money are not the prettiest. They don’t have the best bodies, nor are they the best dancers. They’re the ones that are very present, very connected. They’re full of energy and life force. And it has this hypnotic effect that you will just watch and get lost in it.

Julie Hilsen (40:41)
Okay.

Brent Michael Phillips (41:02)
and not think about it. And yes, there is a natural attraction to it. Yes, it does. That’s exactly it. And that’s what I’ve become an expert in is that inner game. That if we look at, you know what? I would be happy to coach strippers. I’ll work with anybody that wants to improve. You as long as you’re not hurting anybody in your job, I don’t care, right?

Julie Hilsen (41:04)
And you just want to be around it because it fills you up. Yeah, there’s an attraction.

So you’re coaching strippers too now? I’m just kidding.

I was- No, I’m just teasing. Right.

No, no, no judgment. was just-

Brent Michael Phillips (41:28)
You know, if you’re like, work for a

drug cartel, kidnapping children, no, I won’t work with you. No, thank you, right? But beyond that, absolutely, because we all need help in healing. And if we look at entrepreneurs, you can have people that are smart, they’re driven, they’re hardworking, they’re ambitious, they have good ideas, but it never clicks.

Julie Hilsen (41:33)
Right.

We all do.

Yeah, they’re checking off boxes.

Brent Michael Phillips (41:48)
That’s

right. They’re so focused on the outer game, they nail all the boxes, but they still, they don’t make success. And it’s that inner game. It’s really a matter of how much life force do you have in your body? How connected are you to the flow? And that was the same thing I mentioned with my dating coach. He, he, we joked about it. goes, Brent, I don’t get it. You check all the boxes. You’re tall. You’re not terrible looking. You have a cool car. Yeah. You have hair. You own property. You love animals.

Julie Hilsen (42:03)
So.

Mm-hmm.

You have hair.

Brent Michael Phillips (42:18)
And most importantly

of all, I was looking for a serious relationship.

Julie Hilsen (42:21)
Yeah,

you were you were ready, right?

Brent Michael Phillips (42:23)
Yeah, I

couldn’t find a girlfriend to save my life. I had over 200 dates with over 100 women over three years and could not even find a short-term relationship. And again, that’s the answer. So people that feel frustrated, why are you not seeing the big success? Why are the people around you that aren’t as smart as you, that don’t work as hard, that don’t have as much talent, why are they getting the promotions and the races?

Why does everything just click into place for others, but not for you? That’s who I specialize in. And because our culture is so fixated on the outer game. So for example, let’s say you’re an investor, right? You read your investment reports, you pick stocks, you allocate your portfolio, you check all the boxes and follow the rules. But that alone won’t bring success if you don’t have the inner game. And that’s what I want to offer to people.

that what I teach is really a hybrid of second and third generation. That for some issues, I use the more traditional tools, we call it digging, get into the subconscious, find a block, clear a block. That’s very powerful. But on top of that, we need to learn how to get you back into the flow of life force. And there is no other process I’ve found, and I’ve studied so many modalities, it’s ridiculous.

You know, I got a folder up in my file cabinet that’s like an inch and a half thick with all the certificates from all the things I’ve learned and done, right? All these weekend trainings. The only thing that really moves the needle is this movement work.

Legacy of Healing: Teaching and Transformation

Julie Hilsen (44:01)
So Carl, he’s passed and he left his legacy to you, to Guardian, to share to…

Brent Michael Phillips (44:03)
Yes, he passed, unfortunately. He did. And it’s

so crazy, again, you couldn’t have scripted this stuff, right? That he told me years after I’d met him, he goes, Brent, you he admitted, goes, Brent, when I first met you, you were more in your head, more disconnected than anyone I’d ever worked with. And he started doing this full time in the 70s.

Julie Hilsen (44:11)
What?

You’re his opus.

Brent Michael Phillips (44:30)
Yes, he

had been doing it for like 35 years full time at that point. And it’s crazy how it worked out. I ended up being the only person he ever gave permission to teach and practice his work. So, and it was the same thing when I did my first training with Terry. There was about a hundred people there. If you would line this up in terms of ability, I was dead last by a good margin, right? If it was a marathon, I was the guy that crosses the finish line four days later.

when everyone’s forgotten there was a marathon, right? That was me. But what I want everyone to hearing to know that one of the things I learned in martial arts, there’s a saying, a black belt is just a white belt that didn’t give up.

So if it’s difficult, you’re frustrated, that’s okay. If you keep at it, you will be ahead of all those that have more talent, more ability, but don’t follow through. But it does require us to open our minds and try something new. know, as you told me 30 years ago, I’d be teaching energy healing and intuition. I would have thought it was a joke. I’m like, what? Where’s the hidden cameras, right? But you know, this is real. This is our life.

Julie Hilsen (45:20)
Mm-hmm.

You

Brent Michael Phillips (45:46)
And for people, especially if you’re stuck, low self-confidence, cycles of addiction, can’t make money, if your life seems like you have all the ingredients but it’s not coming together, that’s who I like to work with. I have a range of people that I’m not right for everyone. First, just know I’m pretty intense. I’m obsessed with the truth and I have minimal tolerance for nonsense.

Julie Hilsen (46:05)
Mm-hmm.

Brent Michael Phillips (46:16)
So this is why a lot of the New Age stuff doesn’t really click with me. Too much ritual and pageantry and show, right? I’m about what really works. And you have to be willing to look in the dark places you don’t want to look at. Like you had said earlier, why would I want to look in my subconscious? There’s a bunch of dark, nasty stuff there. Well, that’s right. You have to be willing. Yes. Yep.

Julie Hilsen (46:26)
Yeah.

Right, that’s why I go there.

Mm hmm. It’s like cleaning out that the bottom of your fruit and veggie drawers, you know, you,

you sort of put stuff in there. And then every like six months, you’re like, I probably there’s something there’s something like gooey and orange like sticking to the bottom and we better. I mean, we’re coming up on our time. I did want to pick your brain about what is what is a hologram or holograph?

Brent Michael Phillips (46:47)
Yep. Yep, I remember. Sure. So the

hologram, what it means is that a part represents the whole. And so if we take, for example, a laser hologram, where you have a holographic image, you run a laser through and it creates a 3D image.

Julie Hilsen (47:06)
Okay.

Brent Michael Phillips (47:16)
A hologram is very different than a regular picture. So let’s say we take a car magazine and tear out a picture of a car. Okay, so if we take that picture and we tear the picture in half, you have the left half of the car on one side and the right half of the car on the other, right? A hologram doesn’t operate that way. If you were to take a laser hologram and tear it in half, what you would get is the entire car on both sides.

but in lower resolution. And so we see the holographic aspect of life all over the place. For example, live blood cell analysis, something I’ve done fascinating to do. They take a drop, they prick your finger, take a couple drops of blood, look at it under a microscope. By looking at one drop of blood, a good analyst can tell you a lot of what’s going on with your health. They can tell you what’s wrong with your diet, whether you’re exercising.

all these things from one drop of blood. Why is that? Every drop of blood holographically represents the whole body. That’s how it works. And you mentioned earlier how you do anything is how you do everything. That’s how Carl could watch me rollerblade and see exactly what was happening in my life, which was so amazing. Why? It’s the same you you bring to everything.

Julie Hilsen (48:41)
Yeah, and that’s,

and you know, this is blowing my mind because like, that guy who’s in prison, he was needed in your holograph to show you what your potential was, to bring out what you have to bring. And without him, like we’re all connected. Like even if we don’t appreciate the situation, it’s all to activate or for us to run from or whatever it is, we’re all one.

Brent Michael Phillips (48:57)
Yes.

Yeah, I mean…

Julie Hilsen (49:11)
We’re all going through so much all the time, but we’re not isolated from anything.

Brent Michael Phillips (49:15)
I

kind of had to meet Carl in one of my darkest hours. Had I found him when my life was going well, I would have just been like, this guy’s a kook, it’s weird, forgotten about it, on to the next thing.

Julie Hilsen (49:20)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, you would’ve been like, weirdo. I mean, like, move on.

Brent Michael Phillips (49:29)
Yeah, this guy’s weird,

wasted 500 bucks, life moves on. But because I was so desperate, I had no idea what to do. It really felt like my life was over. I was open to what he brought me. And so, yes, had I not been broken down so much, I could not have been put back together. And there’s actually a Japanese art form. The name escapes me. But what they do is, yes, they take the pottery and vases and they smash it.

Julie Hilsen (49:33)
Right?

Mm-hmm.

even when they break the pottery, they put it back together. Yeah.

Brent Michael Phillips (49:59)
and they glue it back together. Yes. And that is life. That’s what I do with people.

 Rebuilding the Self: The Art of Transformation

Julie Hilsen (50:01)
It’s more beautiful because usually they put gold in between or whatever. can’t remember. That’s life.

Brent Michael Phillips (50:09)
That once your pottery is broken, will it be the same? No. You will not be the same as you were before after your accident, abuse, trauma, disease, et cetera. But if you know how to put yourself back together, you can be more magnificent, more beautiful, more valuable. And so,

Julie Hilsen (50:13)
No.

Brent Michael Phillips (50:27)
You take a vase that cost you $40 at the grocery store and you break it and glue it back together and it sells for $40,000. That’s what I like to do with people. Can I make you exactly as you were before? No, that’s impossible. But if you know how to put yourself together the right way, you can reach higher heights than you could have even imagined possible.

Julie Hilsen (50:39)
Yeah, and I love how

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and that’s what I loved about reading was like, you’re helping people remember, remember their divinity, remember, you know, I like to call it their God spark.

Brent Michael Phillips (50:52)
and

Yes, we’ve lost that. And so I do want to make a special offer for everyone listening and watching today that anybody that is wants to learn more, come to my website at awakening dynamics.com and you’ll see a button says like a book of time podcast special. Every person listening, I will give you a free 15 minute discovery call to get to know you a little bit. And I’ll tell you if I think you’re a good fit for this work.

And if not, I’ll recommend something else. Because again, I’m not for everyone. But for people that, you know, need what I have, I want to find you. I want to help you thrive, heal your body, make more money, take your life to that next level. And, you know, the poet Rumi famously said, without a guide, a journey of three weeks will take 100 years.

Julie Hilsen (51:31)
Thanks.

Well, it’s so generous of you and I it.

Brent Michael Phillips (51:56)
And that’s what I want to

do for people that are serious about moving forward. And of course it’s going to take time and money and effort, right? There is no magic wand that someone waves over you and fixes all your problems. But if you’re serious about moving forward, about creating something greater, book some time with me. You know, I want to get to know you. And if you’re the right fit, watch out. We can do some really amazing things, you know?

Julie Hilsen (52:23)
And it’s about tapping into your gifts. It’s not about filling a cookie cutter or checking off boxes. It’s finding what’s really there.

Brent Michael Phillips (52:26)
Yes. Right. I hate that when

everyone tries to force you into, use this program and this group call here and read. No. Every person I work with, their path is unique. So I don’t even come with an offer because I don’t know what it is. I need to get to know each person first. Only after that can I go, okay, here’s what you need. And so that’s why I do it this way. It does take a lot of my time.

Julie Hilsen (52:40)
Mm-hmm.

Brent Michael Phillips (52:56)
but this is the sacrifice I’m happy to make to find the right people to help them change their lives. Because let’s face it, the world needs us. The world needs us to be the best us that we can be. And that’s what I want to do, you know? Yes. So if you’re curious to learn more, you’re welcome to buy my book, watch my YouTube channel, etc. etc. But you know what, I’m happy to give you 15 minutes to talk to you, see if you’re a good fit.

Julie Hilsen (53:04)
Right?

Yes, and we deserved. We deserved to show up in our highest light, you know, it’s a…

Okay, and I’ll put your website as a link in the show notes. And thank you so much. This has been such a delight.

Brent Michael Phillips (53:27)
Beautiful, thank you. Thank you so much, this has been such a delight.

It’s been great to be here. I hope we can, if we can reach just one person and help them make a shift, I say it’s all worth

Julie Hilsen (53:40)
Yeah, well, let’s hold that. I love it. Thanks.