Julie Hilsen: 0:12

Life of Love Life of Love, life of Love, life of Love, life of Love, life of Love, life of Love. Connect to your divinity to remember how special you are and maybe just encourage you on days where things seem sticky or rough, and just recognize and hold space for those times where things aren’t going the way you think they should be going. But we’re here. We’re here to say these are cycles and you’re going to. With your intention and your efforts and your trust, things can turn around. And you know, if you’re feeling lost or you’re feeling helpless, please seek help professionally. But we’re here to help, just give you a little boost, and I honor your ears. I really appreciate everyone who’s been sharing these episodes. It’s been amazing and today’s a really special day because we get to talk to somebody who’s really connected to some fun spiritual insights and experiences, and Carolina Gutierrez is here from Toronto, right.

Carolina Gutierrez: 1:26

Correct, yeah.

Julie Hilsen: 1:27

From Canada. Yes, Welcome to the show.

Carolina Gutierrez: 1:31

Thanks for having me, Julie. I’m excited to be here.

Julie Hilsen: 1:34

Thanks for having me, julie. I’m excited to be here, oh my goodness. Well, I just want to share a little bit of your bio because you’ve been busy. Since the age of four, carolina has been connected to spirit and she believes in living a grounded life that is led by spirit, and so this special connection is her calling. She helps clients and business owners discover the importance of intuition first, and challenging them to think about work and life from the inside out. So, just you know, living your highest purpose through spirit is what she’s all about, and she’s also passionate about mental wellness. That comes from a spiritual life and her wisdom. So we’re really excited. She’s got a blend of social work and spiritual guidance that gives her a unique perspective on helping people. So her website’s amazing. I’ll put a link to it in the bio. I just really am excited to pick your brain, carolina Again. Thanks again for spending this time with us.

Carolina Gutierrez: 2:39

Oh, thank you, I’m getting excited, just feeling your excitement. So I think this is going to be a good conversation, I know.

Julie Hilsen: 2:47

I know it’s like wow, every guest I have on I’m really excited about, but this one’s really touching because I just was talking about my late grandmother and her passage and it’s really in my field about this ancestral thing. But before we jump into the ancestral and I want everyone to hang around to the end because this is going to be a great episode and if you have to pause it and come back, save it, because it’s going to be worth your time what I want to kick off our conversation is about trust, and when you’re talking about trusting yourself and learning to trust yourself again, I just wanted to pick your brain about that and just let you let you rift on that idea of trust, because I know you have so much knowledge on it and I know it’s going to be a great perspective.

Carolina Gutierrez: 3:37

Wow, ok, I better do a good job then. So, yeah, I think that I think we’re so trained to not trust ourselves I think that there’s so many things in life, especially as a woman, but I think in general it applies as well that we are really just. We reach a point in adulthood where we’re like I don’t know anything, I don’t know what to do, like you’re, it’s very lost, and and we’re so moved away from the idea that we are intrinsic experts in our own life, of our own life number one, intrinsic experts in our own life, of our own life number one, um, and number two that we have. We have the map encoded within us of what we’re here to do. And you know and it’s not a straight line, right like I think that’s the other.

Carolina Gutierrez: 4:29

The other difficulty there is um. You know, you see these people that at four they’re like I, I’m going to be a doctor. I heard spirit at four. I had no idea that this would be my life. I had no idea that I’d be sitting here today at 45 talking about this. You could have knocked me over with a feather if I ever thought that I would be a psychic medium and that this would be my calling in life.

Carolina Gutierrez: 4:53

So, um, yeah, I think definitely we just we live in a place where, um, trust, trusting ourselves, is not innate.

Carolina Gutierrez: 5:06

I think it is in childhood, but we’re slowly deprogrammed of that as we kind of go through life. And so, you know, I very much, uh, make it part of my mission to help people build that internal trust because, whether it’s in spirituality or anything else, right, I think, building what I call your spiritual independence right, and being able to know and trust that internal guidance, so you’re not always having to go to somebody to kind of get that clarity Once in a while. Sure, we all need that help, don’t get me wrong, but on a regular day-to-day, when you need it, on demand, we should be able to cultivate a practice that allows us to draw upon that innate wisdom that we all carry, whether it’s ancestrally, whether it’s from your guides, whether it’s from your own knowledge base and wisdom, you know, kind of whatever label you want to put that, because there’s a lot of places to that that wisdom you know can be opened up to us from. But definitely I think it’s something that we’re so missing and it can be such a game changer.

Julie Hilsen: 6:25

Game changer. Indeed, I love that your map is inside you, that so many pearls there, so I guess to break it down. I mean, ah, so I guess to break it down. I mean it comes to second guessing. Is your clue Like when you’re second guess? Is this the right thing to do? Or is second guessing tapping into your intuition? I mean, how do you know what state you’re in, to know if you’re knee jerk reacting? Is it when you’re in to know if you’re knee-jerk reacting? Is it when you’re emotional? Are there red flags that you’re not using your intuition? Or is it something you tune into and say I’m ready to use my intuition and this is how I’m going to do it? How do you start?

Carolina Gutierrez: 7:11

So I would say recognize that there is not a one solution fits all here. There is we are all made up uniquely of, you know, whether you look at it as the stars that brought us in or whether you look at it as the ancestral energy that makes us up, but we all are kind of a unique recipe, right, kind of a unique recipe, right. And so there are general pearls, I think, of wisdom that we can apply, but you need to really kind of hone in on how does it work for you. So I always give this example.

Carolina Gutierrez: 7:47

You know, I’ve had certain health issues in my life where I’ve gone and they’ve been like you need to do a cleanse, and I was like, okay, and this probably happened for like at least 20 years, I do the cleanse and my body would react the absolute polar opposite of what was, what was.

Carolina Gutierrez: 8:07

It’s the way the doctors or the or the helpers that I was working with would say it was supposed to react, and it’s just over and over again.

Carolina Gutierrez: 8:16

And it was like, right, and so that’s just not how it works for me, right.

Carolina Gutierrez: 8:24

And I think that that applies to your intuition as well, because we all get intuition from different areas in our life and in different ways, and we all have what I call a unique intuitive language, right? So the way your team and your spirits that you beautifully called in at the beginning of the show speak to you is not the same way that mine speak to me, and so it’s important to recognize what that intuitive language is for you, and that’s in my intuition development workshops. That’s the first thing that we address is what is that intuitive language? Because you know, if somebody is in a very shamanic path and they’re going to say, well, you know, there was a bird sending a thing and this is what it meant, and I’m like, some are universal, a few are universal, but most are not Right, and so it’s really important that you understand that this is just as unique as you are and, I think, also recognizing a couple of things your intuition very, very, very rarely does it come in panicked. There’s this peace, panicked.

Carolina Gutierrez: 9:46

There’s this peace. There’s this very calm, sure, but whisper, like peace that it shows up in Now, unless you’re about to cross the street and a bus is going to hit you. You know, and then you’ll get that. Now you know you’ll get that very pronounced, but usually in your day to day, like don’t take the highway, take the street, you know things like that. It’s never going to come in panicked, okay. Secondly, in most cases, your intuition doesn’t usually sound frenetic or repeat itself, so you won’t get a no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you’re getting a no, no, no, no, kind of like this, this, this almost like panicked repetitiveness, chances are it’s not your intuition. Once in a while it might be very rarely, but that’s not usually the case.

Carolina Gutierrez: 10:32

What I tell people is start with practicing with stuff that doesn’t matter, and I think that’s a big mistake that people make right off the bat. They go to that big burning question. You’ve had your whole life that if you had the answer, everything would shift and all of a sudden you know your life would change. Don’t do that, please don’t do that, because you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment, you’re setting yourself up for more confusion and you’re setting yourself up for failure, because there’s a reason why that’s a burning question in your life that has been going on for years and years and years, and there’s so much weight and static around it. That’s probably a life lesson, right? What you want to do with your intuition is you want to start off with the very inconsequential things, the tiny things that you couldn’t care less about, because you want to practice and you want to build that trust to then be able to grow it and start to get a little bit more.

Carolina Gutierrez: 11:34

Those questions start to get a little bit more important and have a little bit more weight in your life.

Julie Hilsen: 11:40

That’s so beautiful and so well said and it’s so, you promised, authentic. And you are delivering, girl, because that’s so authentic that we’re all different, we’re all coming at it from different keys and different locks, and I love that because I I I’m not kidding you, I would I started with parking spots. I’m just like, okay, I’m going to pull in here and I’m going to get a great parking spot and that’s how I did it. And it’s so funny because my sister and then her family, her kids, are like, yeah, Aunt Julie and my mom, they always get the best parking spots and I think it was something that my mom started in us. I really do, and that’s what I want to talk to you about next.

Julie Hilsen: 12:29

And oh, and something else that sparked me was trust, like that inner calmness. When you’re there, you just trust that it’s going to work out One way or the other. It’s going to work out, Like something that seems huge and scary to you last week. You’re still alive to think about it, right, Like it’s all going to work out. So you know, trying to find that calm, like you said, that center line that you can tap in your intuition. That’s a great insight and I don’t know how long it took me to figure that out on my own, but or maybe it was a class I took. I’ve read so many self-help books and took so many webinars and I have a coach a spiritual coach as well that helps me navigate when I’m way outside my body and I need to come back because it’s a pattern that I have. So I appreciate your insight.

Julie Hilsen: 13:22

But, yeah, then tying it back to the parking spot and how our family just manifests good parking that I wanted to pick your brain about bringing in your ancestors and talking to your ancestors, and we’ve had so many people passing lately. I mean, there’s been a mass exodus from this earth plane and so I wanted to pick your brain about connecting your ancestors. And I understand I didn’t realize this, but you told me you have a class coming up that’s based on this. So give us a tidbit. What are you working on with that?

Carolina Gutierrez: 13:57

Yeah, thank you, that’s that’s. It’s my favorite topic, so this is. This is uh right on topic for me, so I always describe number one. I think the ancestors are missing from western practice period.

Carolina Gutierrez: 14:13

Stop, full stop, right, if you go to other traditions around the world, you’re going to find that that ancestor worship is very integral to kind of the spiritual practices, especially the First Nations of different parts in the world and unfortunately that’s something that has been lost in a lot of Western practices. But really the way I describe it to clients is imagine your favorite song, whatever that song is, and you’re hearing it on a guitar. You’re like, oh, I love that song and you can feel it in your soul and you can feel yourself just rise up to really appreciate that music that’s coming through and you’re like this can’t get any better. This is the best song I’ve ever heard and it’s never going to change. And then all of a sudden you hear that song for the first time with an entire orchestra playing and you’re like and then the goosebumps come and you’re like, oh, my God, how could my favorite song get better? And it just did. And you’re just feeling the magnitude of that. That’s the difference between working with your ancestors in your spiritual practice and not working with them. So it is a very, very impactful thing and I really think that it is the key to deepening your spiritual practice, if it’s something that’s been missing from it and my own ancestors have been kind of like talk about this, talk about you know, like really pushing me to bring it out, because it’s such a common thing that comes up when I’m working with clients, whether it’s in readings or in, or in healings or clearings or whatever I’m working.

Carolina Gutierrez: 15:48

I’m like, oh yeah, you know, there’s an ancestor or there’s an ancestral component coming in and people are like what, I don’t know anything about it. And so, um, my, my ancestors really pushed me to develop um this, this seven part workshop that’s coming up in the ancestor season in October. I will be offering the first one for free. It’s called awakening your ancestral memory and I’m going to have a. There’s a few dates already on my website that are available. You can register. I’m not going to be selling you anything in that workshop. It really is about awakening that ancestral memory within people. I really want to be able to provide that. Whether you’re you know somebody that has means or not, I don’t want that to stop you. And then the subsequent workshops there will be a small fee for them, but it’ll be all surrounding the different components, and there’s so many, like I really struggled to kind of figure out what was what to add and what to keep out, because you know it’s something you know that we could talk or at least I could talk for a really long time about, but I wanted to make it digestible and impactful at the same time.

Carolina Gutierrez: 17:04

So, yeah, it’s, there’s a variety of different. We have your ancestors and their connection to the land and to the land spirits and nature spirits. We have tapping into the different energies of their power, right, like, how did they? What was their own spirituality? What was their ritual practice like? We also have living with your ancestors in a daily practice. How can you connect with them in different ways that aren’t spiritual but that are at the same time, because we all have limited time and lots of stuff to do? So how do you incorporate them in?

Carolina Gutierrez: 17:45

Um, we also have, uh, one on your spiritual lineage. So what are the inheritance, gifts, packs and conflicts that were facing your ancestors, that you actually carry some forward that a lot of people are like, well, what do you mean? What do you mean? What my grandfather, or my four times removed grandfather you know what his spiritual practice was is affecting me today and it’s like, yeah, it has that influence. So it’s, it’s recognizing that, also creating your ancestor altar. And if you’re a spirit worker of any kind, a light worker, a healer, you know energy practitioner how do you work with your ancestors to bring them into your practice? Because there is an innate protective quality to working with your ancestors when you’re out in the field, and so how do you bring that forward?

Julie Hilsen: 18:40

Oh it’s so beautiful, forward. Oh it’s so beautiful, it is so amazing. I just and they’re, they’re around us, they just need us to say, hey, I’m, I’m ready, and you know something I’m going to share with you. I always was jealous of people who had a family crest. You know what I’m talking about. Like it’s like a, and I’m like my family doesn’t have a crest. I was always like, so jealous, like, and then what came to me is like you could use AI to create a family crest for your family, no matter where you are. Like, why does it have to be something medieval that was passed down? Or if you could connect into your ancestors and create that crest as part of your heritage that you want to pass on, or even just to connect to your ancestors. As a visual, you know everybody’s different, how they, you know their sense that they, like you sound like you’re a musical, auditory person, but some people are visual too.

Carolina Gutierrez: 19:43

I mean, I was just curious what you thought about those crests, those ancestral I think that’s a great question because it shows the importance that ancestry was until very not that long ago. Right, right, yeah, and it wasn’t just in from an elite standpoint. Sure, can this be corrupted? Can this be taken Absolutely Just like anything, right? A knife can be used in so many different ways, but if we take the positive of it, or we take the wisdom of that, it was understanding. Where do you come from? So you know a little tidbit, a little bit of a snippet of what’s going to be in my workshop. You would be surprised how many people suffer from or benefit from ancestral packs that your ancestors made with local land deities, local land spirits. Oh, wow, in regards to take care of my family, and we will blank. We will always tend to your land, or we will always do this. Now, in a time of mass immigration and people moving around, what happens when that isn’t being fulfilled anymore?

Julie Hilsen: 21:00

Yeah, you’re not honoring the pact, but you don’t even know about it.

Carolina Gutierrez: 21:03

To honor pact but you don’t even know about it.

Julie Hilsen: 21:09

And you don’t even know about it, right, that’s exactly it.

Carolina Gutierrez: 21:11

Right, that’s just blowing my mind of stuff that. And there’s examples that have shown up, Like I remember I had one client. It was a fascinating example, Cause I was telling her hey, you know, I think you have. And she goes oh my God, I know what you’re talking talking about and it’s very rare that I get that because people are usually like oh my god, you’re blowing my mind, you know very similar to what you were sharing. And she said you know, she used to have this friend in um in high school, very, very problematic cystic acne like covered her face, just very serious.

Carolina Gutierrez: 21:42

She was walking down the street on a summer it was like August and this girl said hey, so-and-so, and she turned around and she’s like I had no idea who it was and she’s like it’s me, it’s, let’s say her name was Mary, it’s me Mary, and she’s like Mary.

Carolina Gutierrez: 21:57

She said she had perfect, like, model-like, you know, just glowing, perfect skin. And she was like and she said I know you don’t recognize him, it’s my skin. And she said, yeah, and she’s like I don’t know what it is, but I always fly back in the summer to visit my grandparents in Sweden and the minute that I land in Sweden, my skin completely clears up and I’m there and I’m with clear skin for the entire summer and the minute that I returned back home, within two days she goes. I landed yesterday and she goes within two to three days. My start my skin starts to flare up, she goes. We cannot figure it out and I’m like that’s a land pack, that’s a land spirit pack that some ancestor made, that nobody remembers anymore and it’s having not so great consequences in this young person’s life.

Julie Hilsen: 22:52

So that pact is in her field and our bodies are here to process this information. Give us signs to be like you’re on the wrong path.

Carolina Gutierrez: 23:04

Give us signs to be like you’re on the wrong path. So is that it’s not necessarily that she’s on the wrong path, but you might have to amend that pack because we don’t live that lifestyle anymore, right?

Julie Hilsen: 23:11

Right, that’s what I was going to ask. Can you cancel, delete these contracts that aren’t serving it?

Carolina Gutierrez: 23:16

depends on what was made. It depends on how it was made. You have to also put yourself in the mindset of people that lived a thousand years ago. And how did they live Right? How did how? What was the type of spirituality and magic that they practice Right? What were some of the? How many generations were those agreements for Right? Like, there’s a lot. It’s very open, but you know, that is a component that many of us might suffer in a variety of different ways. I’m not just talking about skin. It could be health, it could be wealth, it could be you know your mental health. Who knows right? Like there’s just so many ways that that can show up.

Julie Hilsen: 24:00

But yeah, like I can see, like your peace of mind, like if there’s something nagging ways that that can show up, but it shows, yeah, like I can see. Like your peace of mind, like if there’s something nagging at you all the time, it could be one of these, one of these packs, absolutely.

Carolina Gutierrez: 24:09

Wow, absolutely. Just like you get inherited gifts too, right? So if you had a healer in your line and you’re doing this type of work, can you call upon that within your line? Right, if you had? I’ve also seen the negative effects of having a healer healers in the line and not calling that energy forward and then being disassociated from that for the last three generations and how that negatively showed up. That was a very interesting case because it was showing up in their ability, their fertility and their ability to conceive.

Julie Hilsen: 24:45

Yeah, so you’ve seen this play out in your practice. The ancestors might show up when you link into their aura or however their energetic field. You’re tapping into that and they’re like hey, carolina, can you tell her this, or can you tell him this?

Carolina Gutierrez: 25:13

tell her this or can you tell him this? Sometimes it’s like that. Sometimes it’s like they’ll come in with an issue and we’ll be like, okay, well, where, where, where are we going with this issue? Right, because think about it. In essence, we are made up of our ancestors. We are the love of 1000s of people in the flesh right, and so they are.

Carolina Gutierrez: 25:30

You know, it depends on kind of where your traditional beliefs come from, but from my work and how I work, they are the closest spiritual ally we have. They’re even closer than our guides and I work with my guides every single day. I work with people and helping them connect to their guides. So, like, don’t get me wrong, my guides are up on the podium, just as my ancestors are, but they they. So when you’re asking, when you’re sending requests out, right, and you’re like universe, help me, I want to do this or I want to accomplish this, include your guides in there, because the universe is hearing a lot of requests. Your guy or, sorry, your ancestors are right there. They’re the closest to and they’ve experienced physical reality.

Julie Hilsen: 26:18

Yeah, and I bet they’re so delighted to have you reach out because they’re so close.

Carolina Gutierrez: 26:26

Absolutely, and it’s you know. Unfortunately, depending on the practice that you have, they might have been long forgotten and so when you know nobody’s ever been like yo, can I get your help, type of thing. But just a note with that not all ancestors are great, we have to keep that in mind right.

Carolina Gutierrez: 26:45

So I always recommend, if you’re going to start to work with them, work with your elevated ancestors number one. Started to work with them, work with your elevated ancestors number one and number two. Ask your main spirit guide to be the intermediary when doing that work, because they can kind of be like, yeah, this is a good idea, not such a good idea, or maybe just with these, or you know, really build that trust with that guide so that they can kind of be the moderator in between here um, so that they can kind of be the moderator in between here.

Julie Hilsen: 27:16

Nice, I know that your dog is thinking this is an important message. I’m so sorry, do they? We can pause if you need to?

Carolina Gutierrez: 27:20

no, they’re just, they’re just uh, one of them is very vocal and the other one doesn’t make a sound and they’re just looking out the window. So I apologize.

Julie Hilsen: 27:28

It should be over soon it’s okay, wait till school starts. So a lot to look at, right? Yeah, absolutely no, they don’t bother me at all. But it’s interesting during certain parts that the animal friends are like click, click, click, like. Listen to that. Like you know, I take it as animals talking and giving their input, so I never mind when there’s a little interruption.

Carolina Gutierrez: 27:52

It’s a very you know, if you think about it, our ancestors turned to nature for their signs, for their confirmations, right, and so it’s a very I think it’s a very appropriate observation you made there, Julie.

Julie Hilsen: 28:07

Well, it’s interesting how different people are receptive to it than others, because I was at a dear friend’s yesterday. Well, it’s interesting how different people are receptive to it than others, because I was at a dear friend’s yesterday and she’s like I’ve had, I’ve had 12 geese in my yard and she’s complaining about them tearing up her yard and I was like holy cow, that’s got to be something. I said have you looked up the spiritual meaning of geese? And she just ignored me and it was still bugging me this morning. So I looked it up and it’s like more than four geese is a huge spiritual like transformation, like you’re going through a, a major transformation for the better, and like the geese are very powerful, you know, they migrate, they mate for life, they’re loyal, like all these things about the geese.

Carolina Gutierrez: 28:48

They’re also a representation of the ancestor speaking to you. Any type of fowl, any bird, oh my gosh.

Julie Hilsen: 28:56

Well, I sent her a link to the spirit you know the spirit guide to seeing geese and she’s like thanks, okay.

Carolina Gutierrez: 29:03

She didn’t want to hear it I should have read the signs last night. Everybody comes to it at their own time, right? Everybody comes to it at their own time, right? Everybody comes to it at their own time.

Julie Hilsen: 29:12

Well, I said to her. I said maybe, if you see, if you acknowledge that you got the message, they’ll leave your yard and it can grow back, like if you’re tired of them. You got to say, okay, guys, I got the message because I’ve done that for different pests around my house, like they’re pests, but I’ll be like, hey, guys, you know it’s been cool having you, but it’s not safe. My husband’s going to you know, one way or the other they’re going to get rid of you and they’ve left, like I’ve done that in my house. What?

Carolina Gutierrez: 29:38

would be funny is that they’re not bothering her neighbor’s yard and only hers, right?

Julie Hilsen: 29:44

And then you’re kind of like what’s going on? You’re just on her patch and she’s like, oh thanks, thanks. It wasn’t even oh thanks, it was just thanks, period. On a text, I’m like you can lead the horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. Like you said on your website the seeker. If you’re a seeker, come here yeah, yeah, it’s so hard.

Carolina Gutierrez: 30:08

You’re like you’re seeing an answer for them, but they, you know, you know you can’t force it. Your job is only to live in your truth and let them figure out theirs right.

Julie Hilsen: 30:18

Yeah, and I accept that. And I said love and I didn’t. I used to take it personally, believe me, but I was just like, oh, that’s fine Love and compassion. But it made me laugh because I’ve been in that place where I’m like I’m not even going there, like I’m not, but it’s so fun to live in that and, like you said, it’s the orchestra, it’s the realization you’re connected to everything and everything’s connected to you and it’s just a beautiful dance in that moonlight of magic.

Carolina Gutierrez: 30:50

Yeah, the magic is there if you’re willing to see it right. But if you’re just going to constantly be like no, okay, well then there’s so much that you’re going to miss right, that’s out in the world.

Julie Hilsen: 31:00

And that’s okay too, you know, yeah. Well, this has just been delightful and I will put a link to your website. I’m sure you’ll have that on your upcoming events, part of your website.

Carolina Gutierrez: 31:13

It’s there. Yes, for sure.

Julie Hilsen: 31:15

So if everyone scrolls down, it’s like halfway down. At least that’s where it was. I’ll put a link to her website so you guys can check that out. Was there anything else you wanted to share today?

Carolina Gutierrez: 31:26

You know what? I think this has been a fantastic opportunity. Thank you, Julie. It sounds like you are. Whether you’re aware of it or not, I think you’re working with yours too, so hopefully that’s something that starts to open up a bit more for you.

Julie Hilsen: 31:43

Yes, I deeply feel guided to talk to them and bring them in more. Talk to them and bring them in more. I just do a general because I want to be too specific, because I know that at times there’s not the availability, and I like, how you said, to use your main spirit guide as the mediator. That’s so beautiful, because I’ve done some family tree. I was really into that Ancestrycom and you know I have an ancestor. He, you know, he was definitely a very, he was harsh, you can tell. You can tell by his picture. He looks like a redheaded warrior, like it looked like he could slay you. You know what I mean. I mean he, my energy probably wouldn’t draw him near me, you know, but I was looking at that. I’m like not all this ancestry thing is all that fun. I’m like, oh, he came over, he would go back and forth like their travel records of him going back and forth from Scotland and it is a tough life.

Carolina Gutierrez: 32:45

Right, they lived a tough life in comparison. So you know it’s there’s a lot of wisdom through those hardships.

Julie Hilsen: 32:53

Yeah, oh, I’m so delighted and I really appreciate it. I’ve just had so much fun picking your brain and just learning from you, so thanks for sharing and spending your time with me and the audience.

Carolina Gutierrez: 33:05

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.