LJulie Hilsen (00:01.454)
Dear God creator, goddess, source, thank you for bringing us together today. I appreciate everything that Ann has gone through to bring forth this message and I ask that my guides, my Akashic team, my angels.

Please come forward to help us bring forth a message with the clarity and intensity that’s needed. I ask Anne’s team to join if they’re so inclined. We’re gonna bring forth a message for the highest good to serve humanity, to soften the hearts which need to soften and create a soft landing for those who are having maybe some struggles. May we provide insight, curiosity and kindness.

that will shine through and just help people on this bumpy road that we’re on. And with all my heart, I ask for this to happen from the highest good.

And I ask for this to be a creation, a co-creation, and a celebration for us to share. And I thank every soul who shares these messages. You are divine and special, and we are one. And so it is. Thank you, thank you.

Ann Hince (01:28.229)
Thank you.

Julie Hilsen (01:30.328)
Hello, dear friends, and welcome to another episode of Life of Love, where we gather each week to bring forth a message of kindness, support, love, humanity. And it looks different every week. It’s amazing. We have the same theme, but it shows up in so many ways and it ties us together with such power and such kindness. And my guest this week is the epitome of this. I mean, I’m just, I’m in awe of her work, of her spirit, how she says yes. I’m really excited to introduce Anne Hintze to the show. She has written a book and a workbook. A And she’s just got this beautiful accent. I know everyone’s gonna love it. Ann’s been dedicated to opening up humankind’s consciousness, the curiosity.

Her book is about bringing back your childhood innocence, which is such a dear topic to me, and tuning into your internal signs and your empowerment and a beautiful lens that she puts it through as insight. So we’re gonna pick her brain. And Ann, thank you so much for being on Life of Love. I’m just honored to share this space with you today.

Ann Hince (03:20.229)
Thanks Julie, thanks for having me. Looking forward to this.

Julie Hilsen (03:22.23)
Yay! So I don’t know if you want to give a little background. I mean, you’ve had miraculous things happen to and for you through tuning into your body and just asking what’s going on. And I even shared last week I had a story about my, it was two weeks, two episodes ago, I had a hurt foot and I figured out I had been channeling my stress through the side of my foot in an unhealthy way instead of

being balanced and having two feet on the ground, I had this habit of turning my foot and I was just pushing the stress down and it hurt. Like I really messed up my foot for a couple of days, but I figured it out. So this isn’t a new topic for my show, but you spending so much time and really digging in with your scientific brain and you’re caring. I mean, you’ve raised two sons, two grown sons and…

So you’ve been through it all. Being a mom puts you through every ring. You jumped through so many rings that I know that your insight’s gonna be great. But could you share a little bit about the miraculous things that you’ve discovered with your own health? mean, stories are so powerful and yours is an amazing one.

Ann Hince (04:36.433)
Thanks. Okay, I’ll share some of the recent stuff and then we can go backwards because I couldn’t do what I can do now 20 years ago. I had to go through my path to get to where I am now. But at this point, I can put my awareness inside my body, inside my head, inside my bones, and I can focus with such intensity that I can release adhesions in the bones and in the connective tissue.

So I can feel them release and I can hear them release. They sound like old fabric ripping. And I can feel my bones relax in a way that I hadn’t known they weren’t relaxed before I got inside, before I opened my subconscious mind enough that I could become conscious of the tension and the pain in there. So that’s what I do now is I release the tension inside of my skull.

and it releases in other places as well. I’m just focusing on where the tension is. And so with your foot example, that might not have been where the original tension was. But if that’s where your body is calling your attention to it, so that’s what I do. I go to the place where I’m called to go, where the pain is the most intense and I focus on it. I’m giving it the attention it’s calling for. And when it’s had enough attention, it will release.

Julie Hilsen (05:39.31)
You

Julie Hilsen (05:50.52)
Mm-hmm.

Ann Hince (05:59.057)
So for me, will often be my neck will crack. I’m releasing tension in my atlas and my axis bones like right in the middle of my skull. Just incredible, all tension. It just sounds crazy when it releases. If you’ve ever been to a chiropractor and you’ve heard the cracks and the funny noises your bones make when it releases, I’ve been to a chiropractor and had that before and it’s like, wow, that released a lot.

Julie Hilsen (06:21.208)
Mm-hmm.

Ann Hince (06:26.475)
I have that release happen probably 30, 40, 50 times a day every day because I’ve got so much door tension inside because I was actually born with my right foot up against my right shin. So my whole body was twisted and taunt had scoliosis my whole life. So I’m kind of reversing that from the top down, right? Because I’m not sure if that pain that I found in my left cheek.

I think it’s the beginning of the twist that went all the way down to my foot. I just hadn’t been aware of it until I put my awareness inside. So I’ve shifted my skull bones. have x-rays that show that my eye sockets have aligned. My jaw has centered. It was way off to the side. And my neck is straighter than it has ever been. And I’ve grown three quarters of an inch in my fifties because… Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (07:16.012)
three quarters of an inch in your 50s when most women were were experiencing a decrease in estrogen and were, you’re growing.

Ann Hince (07:23.322)
Great. And it’s especially our necks. If you look at photos of an older woman and the younger self, it’s often the neck that is compressed. And I think it’s that burden that we’ve been carrying all those years and we kind of, we think the same thoughts over and over again, and we have the same emotions over and over again, and we just keep everything tense and tight, whereas this work kind of releases that burden.

Julie Hilsen (07:52.437)
so beautiful. was I going to ask you, do you have a picture of the way your jaw was?

Ann Hince (08:00.867)
On my website, I do have the two x-rays of the former and like eight years prior and then three years ago. yeah, and I’d never looked at them before. I mean, they were just orthodontic photos. But for the second one, I knew at that point that I’d felt things shift. So I knew things were changing. So I actually looked at that one and I went back and looked at the old one and then just comparing the two was kind of eye-opening for me at the time.

Julie Hilsen (08:02.029)
and you’re.

Julie Hilsen (08:28.803)
Well, my son had jaw surgery and we went to a craniosacral therapist to help, you know, just him his body to adapt to what had happened. But that’s, I have a very limited knowledge, just a few YouTube videos I was watching, but it’s the relationship with your jaw to your sacrum and how it’s all connected and we’re basically a huge hologram. Like if one thing’s off,

the other part of our body is off too. And I never really understood it that way, but we are, we’re so connected. So you saying releasing this related to your spine, it, you know, it’s like, what? That doesn’t make sense. You like, in your book, you talk about cognitive dissonance. It’s like, since it’s something new, you reject it because it’s too hard to wrap around or we want to be affirmed of what we already know. But then sometimes we miss the miracles around us if

if we’re saying, know this, you know, like, and it sounds like you’re, you’ve studied a lot of anatomy through this, through your own experiences, you’re like, what’s going on? And then you

Ann Hince (09:37.743)
Yeah, I have. And when I’m releasing tension, like in my cheekbones, in that part of my skull, I will feel my hips, something in my hips expanding as well. So yeah, I think of it in terms of the phrase as as above so below, because as above in our heads, which I believe is what was called, I believe it’s the holy land, because it’s its bone, it’s land full of holes. It kind of makes total sense to me. But when we

release tension there, it releases in our body as well and it always releases in my neck. Everywhere I release tension in my body, it always also releases in my neck, which I found really interesting when I started doing this.

Julie Hilsen (10:22.648)
That’s really cool. And did you start like, like feeling the tension? Like, because sometimes I wake up and I’m like, yeah, I was clenching my teeth all night. And I can be like, I can feel it right now. And I touch right here. Did you start by feeling the tension or just going inside and saying, what need like, what needs attention? Is it a tactile or totally mental or, or both? I’m just really curious.

Ann Hince (10:45.947)
totally mental, nothing physical, touching with my hands at all. But of course, I didn’t start here, right? I didn’t have this awareness of the tension or even sensations really inside my body until I had worked through all my traumas and all my emotions, which is like totally separate. We think of it totally separately from the physical, but it’s not. It’s all connected. We’re just not aware of it to begin with.

Julie Hilsen (10:52.834)
Okay.

Ann Hince (11:15.483)
So all our traumas, all our emotions that we stored inside have a physical component to them, but we aren’t aware of it until we do this work and develop our self-awareness to the level where we can feel the tension inside.

Julie Hilsen (11:15.884)
Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (11:32.07)
When I think about it, because I’ve done some sound healing where you take tuning forks and I’ll strike the fork and I can go around my body and feel where there’s garbage in my aura. It changes, it’ll go from eee to eee to eee, it changes tone and I’m just holding it. I’m not doing anything but sweeping through around my body, sweeping through the air.

I’m just holding it. It’s the same tuning fork, but it changes intensity based on if it’s hitting static. So it’s sort of like, if you can imagine your aura as a bright car when you’re a baby, it’s bright. has all, it’s a glow, you know, wax on it and everything’s just perfect and glossy. Well, as you drive through your life, you drive through storms and pollution and acid rain and the body of your car, your aura gets

contaminated, gets scratched, gets, you you don’t know to wash it, so it just starts to build up. And that’s our bodies are like that. That’s sort of a metaphor that I, that made sense to me. It’s like, if you’re not doing anything to clear this past trauma, even prior accidents, like injuries, emotional trauma, like things that happen that are held in your subconscious that you can’t even remember.

then they’re still hanging out. They’re part of your, and I think that’s why psychics have said, know, psychics can read your aura. They’re reading the energy coming off of you. It might not be this like, you know, I believe the angels do talk to us, but also their angels are energetic too. Like that’s part of, we’re all energy and frequency. So I don’t mean to go on a tangent, but it’s so funny because, you know, when I was growing up, it was like,

Well, don’t pay attention to what’s not going right. Pay attention to what is going right. you know, suck it up, buttercup, that kind of stuff. So you saying, feel it and sit with it. It’s a different, it’s a different thing than most people, you know, try or experience that whole making space for the uncomfort and being okay and sitting with that uncomfort, you know, that discomfort.

Ann Hince (13:46.487)
Right.

Ann Hince (13:53.241)
Yeah, it’s almost the opposite, right? I mean, it’s we, yeah. Yeah.

Julie Hilsen (13:55.31)
Right. We’re trained to take an aspirin or ibuprofen, go to bed, drink a glass of wine, escape, go to a movie. But that’s just running. We’re just like little scared hens running away from.

Ann Hince (14:06.022)
Right.

Yeah. But, but once I got my awareness inside my body, that’s when I realized, and I can kind of sense inside so I can sense light versus dark. And the darkness is the tension that’s stored inside. So all we have to do is find that tension and release it. And then the light comes flooding back in. So we don’t have, I don’t think we have to go to the positive at all. In fact, the positive just comes naturally once we release the negative. So

Julie Hilsen (14:20.43)
you

Ann Hince (14:38.137)
That was kind of big eye-opener for me because, you know, I wasn’t sure whether to believe what other people said about the positive. But then I realized at that point, no, I don’t need to believe that. All I need to do is find the negative. And that’s when I, when I go inside, I’m just scanning and there’s kind of nothing there or there’s tension there. So I just go and find the tension, you know, where’s that sensation? Where’s that pain? Where’s that tension? And I just go and find it and hold my awareness on it.

And I’m not trying to do anything to it. I’m not trying to love it. I’m not trying to tell it to disappear. I’m just focusing on it and giving it attention, just allowing it to be felt. And when it’s felt enough, when it’s had enough attention, it dissipates it, it lets go. So that’s kind of been my whole story throughout this whole time. So it started with emotions and my traumas, right? They were just memories or words.

I would talk through them. I would use the technique that’s called EFT, which is short for emotional freedom technique. It’s also called tabbing. Yeah. Yeah. It was so powerful to me. And it was so good at that point on my journey because I didn’t have that depth of self-awareness. I wouldn’t have been able to say, okay, where do you hold fear in your body? Where do you hold frustration in your body? I couldn’t have told you that.

Julie Hilsen (15:41.642)
Okay. We’ve talked about that on Life of Love. Yeah, it’s so good.

Ann Hince (16:03.973)
But I could have tapped on these points and said, I feel frustration or I’m feeling afraid. And that’s the beginning of the opening of the subconscious mind. So.

Julie Hilsen (16:16.883)
I never had it explained to me that way.

Ann Hince (16:19.791)
Yeah, because because memories, right? Memories come back, you talked about some of us not remembering things, I didn’t remember much my childhood at all. Until I started doing this work. And then it’s just opening up, it’s letting those big emotions that have been stored as kind of resistance, holding us back from all those memories, let go of that resistance. And then you have more access to those memories. So the biggest thing that I worked on initially was my mother’s death.

So I found my mother dead on the bathroom floor when I was 19. It was a big trauma. Of course, I didn’t work on it till I was in my late thirties. That’s when I realized that it was still affecting me. But I tapped through the memories from that morning of finding her. And then I went back to the beginning and I tapped through it again and then back to the beginning and tapped through it again. And each time I tapped through it, more of the memories came to mind because I was opening up the subconscious mind.

So more details of what happened that day popped into my mind. So I just kept going over and over through the story, over and over again, tapping through the emotions that came up until there was nothing left anymore. It was just a story. No, no, I had no attachment to it anymore. And that’s what I started to do. I realized how powerful it was and I wrote down every single trauma that I could remember. And sayings, like you said, like a

stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about or shame on you. All those things I tapped through one each night for weeks and months on end. I don’t remember at this point how long it was. But my subconscious mind was opening up, my self-awareness was deepening, my mind was quieting and I’d never had a quiet mind before. I didn’t know what it was and it felt a little bit like boredom to begin with, but it was so nice.

Julie Hilsen (18:10.126)
You’re like, what?

Julie Hilsen (18:15.182)
it’s freeing. I’ve had it at times. I don’t have it right now. I even got admonished at my angels group. The angels told my friend, Julie hasn’t been clearing her energy field and I got in trouble because I got out of habit. I’m like, here I am. I need to go through the car wash.

Ann Hince (18:33.937)
You

Julie Hilsen (18:36.642)
So, I don’t know, you know, just to refresh people, should we go through one, like one that everyone hears?

Julie Hilsen (18:48.514)
I’m trying to think of one that would be a really good one. that everyone, like every parent says to their kid and it’s just sort of a stupid thing to say.

Julie Hilsen (19:04.652)
Well, we could do shut up or I’ll give you something to cry about.

Ann Hince (19:09.017)
Okay, you want to do EFT? Is that what you’re thinking?

Julie Hilsen (19:11.564)
Yeah, so my thought, I always start like hitting like the karate chop points on the side of my hands.

Ann Hince (19:16.709)
Yes. Yeah. Now I’ve changed the setup phrase a little bit because I found people had a lot of resistance to saying I love myself. so I changed it to be more neutral. So, so the first point is, yes, your karate chop point and you kind of tap on it. Your time that you’re trying to create an interrupted into the nervous system. So you’re not being really gentle, but you’re not hurting yourself. So it’s kind of in the middle kind of tapping. So you’d say something like, even though my dad used to say, shut up or I’ll

Julie Hilsen (19:25.228)
Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (19:35.426)
Mm-hmm.

Ann Hince (19:46.277)
stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about. That’s my truth in this moment and it’s okay that I remember that. Even though my dad used to say, stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about. That’s my truth in this moment. That’s what I remember and it’s okay that I remember that. Okay, and then you could say it one more time, but we won’t, here we go. So the next point, the first point is the crown point on the top of the head. And you shorten what you say here and you just say, my dad used to say,

Julie Hilsen (20:03.275)
Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (20:07.245)
Yeah.

Ann Hince (20:16.753)
Stop crying. And then the next point is the beginning of eyebrows. My dad used to tell me to stop crying. The next point is bone on the edge of the eye. My dad used to tell me to stop crying or it’d give me something to cry about. The next point is on the upper lip underneath the nose. Stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about. The next point is on the chin. Stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about. The next point is the collarbone point.

Julie Hilsen (20:17.9)
Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (20:22.189)
Right here.

Julie Hilsen (20:44.92)
Right here.

Ann Hince (20:45.009)
stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about. And the last point is underneath the armpit where the bra strap goes across if you have one.

Julie Hilsen (20:52.038)
Yeah, that’s the tricky one and mine gets tender right there. Yeah.

Ann Hince (20:56.003)
interesting. Okay. Stop crying. I’ll give you something to cry about. Then you take a deep breath.

let it out and that is one round of EFT. So it’s very simple and I think a lot of people don’t use it because they don’t realize how powerful it is and a lot of people end up using scripts from other people online right they’ll go online and they’ll find someone else using the words and they’ll repeat the words to them that’s not nearly as powerful as using your own words

Julie Hilsen (21:10.221)
Wow.

Ann Hince (21:28.069)
because it’s your own memories, it’s your own words, it’s your own phrases that are stuck inside of you. Those are the memories and the thoughts that replay in your mind. So that’s where the power is. It’s finding the negative and it’s using your own words and doing it again and again until the attachment has gone, the emotion has gone.

Julie Hilsen (21:28.13)
your own words.

Julie Hilsen (21:34.051)
Mm-hmm.

Julie Hilsen (21:49.506)
And there’s something about these different pressure points that, like you said, it wakes up your nervous system and you’re safe. You’re in a safe place and you’re bringing up something that was negative, but you’re calm and you’re in control. And I love how you said, and that’s okay. That’s how I remember it and it’s okay. Because so many times, like,

you’ll have five people who experience the same thing and they have different memories of it. But it doesn’t matter if that’s really what happened. It’s how you remember how it’s being held in your field. So honoring that and no judgment, it just is. Like you were able to get through your finding your mother face down on the floor without crying about it. You know, that’s a huge breakthrough. yeah.

Ann Hince (22:27.825)
Absolutely.

Ann Hince (22:32.614)
Yeah.

Ann Hince (22:40.645)
Right? So what you were saying just there about it, just is that’s, that’s what it is. That is the equivalent of me going inside and finding the tension and focusing on it. Right? You’re just allowing it to be there. Right? So if there are tears, if you’re feeling really upset about something, you’re allowing that you’re allowing whatever thought brought that up. You’re allowing whatever feeling you’re feeling, the tapping helps release it.

Right, that’s kind of the equivalent to focusing on it. And that’s what you’re doing. You’re kind of focusing, you’re saying the words over and over again to bring your focus back to it. So it’s doing exactly the same thing as feeling inside and just allowing it. And that’s when it releases. Once you fully accept it as it is without trying to change it, that’s when it releases.

Julie Hilsen (23:33.418)
It’s really, really empowering. It’s, and it’s like you said, simple. But you have to it’s a bravery thing to to say I’m just gonna I’m just gonna sit here with us and it’s gonna be okay. Because we spend so much time running for from our subconscious thinking, well, it’s subconscious, why do need to look at it? I have all these things right here in my face, like, I need to do the dishes. And I you know, I haven’t like, exercise today. And you know, all these things that we

We pile on ourselves.

Ann Hince (24:04.495)
Yeah, and it can be scary to think about going back and looking at all your traumas. But what I realized fairly early on, which I think really helped me was that all those emotions that we’ve suppressed inside is just energy. It’s just energy that’s stuck inside. And it wants to be felt, it wants to be acknowledged, it wants to leave, we just have to find a way to allow it to leave. And when we do, it’s gone.

Julie Hilsen (24:19.501)
Mm-hmm.

Ann Hince (24:30.321)
And it’s really just gone, right? It’s actually gone out of our bodies and it’s not there anymore. I had a really good example, like right at the beginning, before I even delved into EFT much, I’d kind of learnt it. And then I wanted to try it out on something. And I had a 17 year old cat at home at the time and his kidneys were starting to fail.

So I had to give him a daily shot, like an injection of saline solution. And the first time I gave him one, it’s like my hand was shaking so badly because I hate injections. And I just didn’t want to have to do it. So I thought, okay, well, let me try EFT. Let me try this technique that I’ve just learned and see what happens. And so I did, I tapped about everything. So I tapped about my hand shaking. I tapped about my fear of hurting my cat.

And I tapped about all the memories from all the injections I had had over the years, which was many. So all those different aspects I tapped about. And the next day when I gave him the shot, my hand was totally calm. All that fear that I’d been holding inside the day before had totally disappeared. It had just gone. So that’s when I realized how incredibly powerful it was. And that’s I wanted to be. I wanted to be

on that peaceful side with all that fear having left me. So that’s really when I started just going for it because I wanted to change.

Julie Hilsen (25:59.566)
Yeah, so maybe it would be starting out, even though I’m sort of freaked out to do this. I am ready to face my fears. I accept where I am. Yeah, maybe I’m not ready. And so you just I’m not ready to face my fears. And that’s okay. Everybody has fears. I have fears and it’s okay.

Ann Hince (26:04.251)
Yes.

Ann Hince (26:07.806)
Or I’m not, right? Or I’m not. Maybe I’m not ready to face my fears, right? Whatever it is.

Ann Hince (26:18.197)
Right, it’s too scary!

Ann Hince (26:23.501)
Yes, wherever you are right now, right, it’s catching that thought and not paying attention to it, right? Because some people might think it’s too scary, I’m not going to do it, right? And then they won’t, they won’t do it. But if you say, it’s too scary, let me try it, right? And just acknowledge the fear and let that go. Then then it becomes easier to do it.

Julie Hilsen (26:24.622)
What?

Julie Hilsen (26:43.086)
scary.

Julie Hilsen (26:50.254)
good. So just, you know, and if you don’t have time, tap on that. Even though I don’t have time to do my emotional freeing technique, I just don’t have time.

Ann Hince (26:56.464)
Yeah.

Ann Hince (27:04.118)
Right. And then the time will start popping up because you’ve let go of the resistance to having time. Yeah. And you can just do it when you go to the bathroom, you know, you can do it when you stop to the traffic lights. There are definitely times you can do it during the day. It just needs to become a habit, right? If you want to do what I did, right, you’d want to just make it a part of you. And it becomes easier once you

feel the changes, right? Once my mind started to quiet, that’s when I realized the phrases that I had been replaying in my head, like the criticisms of myself and other people, the judgments, I hated being so judgmental. I realized they’d been my dad’s. They’d been my dad’s thoughts and phrases that I’d taken on as my own. And I didn’t notice that until I let them go, until they were gone. So.

Julie Hilsen (27:50.338)
Mm-hmm.

Ann Hince (27:55.993)
changes like that and understandings like that just make the journey so much more fun.

Julie Hilsen (28:01.23)
It gives you a chance to pause, to pause that tape and create your own tape, your own cassette. And that’s why I always, I haven’t said it on the show lately, but you know, every day is a chance to live the life of your dreams. And then how do you get there? How do you know what your life should look like? But you can’t get there if you’re replaying the past subconsciously, this loop, there needs to be an interruption.

Ann Hince (28:24.037)
Yeah. Right. That loop, that, that what I now know is tension stuck in the connective tissue, right? That I didn’t know when, when I started this journey, it pulls us away from our true path. It pulls us away from our, you know, true self inside. And the force that connective tissue pulls with it, 2000 pounds per square inch. It is a massive force, but we’re not aware of it.

because it’s in our subconscious mind. But once you become aware of it, my goodness, it is such a huge force. And that force is pulling us away from our true path. So it’s really, it really behooves us to do this work and to look at our past tension and the emotions that we stored inside and to let them go so we can find our true path.

Julie Hilsen (29:18.282)
Right. Do you find that you have more energy for the things you really want to do once your fascia tissue isn’t exhorting all that force on negativity? do you feel like the energy goes somewhere else or it’s just gone and you’re clear to do, you just don’t have the tension? I’m just curious.

Ann Hince (29:35.313)
It’s definitely freeing. It’s like I’m lighter. Not physically, like not weight-wise lighter, but I feel lighter. I used to feel really heavy and weighed down for years and years and years. And I don’t feel that anymore. It’s easy to laugh. For me, it’s easy to talk. It used to be hard to talk because I’d actually kind of shut down my talking because my dad used to tease me about my voice and…

Julie Hilsen (29:39.745)
Okay.

Ann Hince (30:02.479)
He was always right and I was always wrong, so there was no point having my own opinion, so I just stopped talking. But I’ve released so much tension in my face that talking’s easy now. And yeah, those kind of things.

Julie Hilsen (30:17.77)
And such a blessing. mean, your voice is so soothing and so beautiful. I’m so glad I highlighted that in the beginning.

Ann Hince (30:26.093)
Thank you. Also my neck, right? My neck will move in all sorts of different orientations that it wouldn’t before. You know, we often bend our neck at the base, but our neck should bend at the base and at the skull. We should be able to move our whole head around, which gives us different perspectives, right? So it’s not just the mental perspective that changes as you’re doing this work.

So it’s kind of one and the same, right? The physical perspective changes. You can see all these different orientations that you couldn’t before, both mentally and physically.

Julie Hilsen (31:00.142)
wow. And I love how you said it’s like creating space and also opening up your divinity. And I can’t help but not mention your symbol that your cover of your book has your eyes on it. And honestly, the first time I read about it, I didn’t really know what you’re talking about. And then I looked again, I was like, my gosh. So do you want to tell, well,

I think, yeah, I think the story will be really great for you to say what you saw between your eyes and then and what it means. And this symbol has been part of our human history for a long, long time. It’s even written on the Egyptian walls. So, yeah, I’d love for you to share that you got the affirmation that you were onto something beautiful and divine and it was on your face.

So exciting, I can’t wait for you to tell the audience.

Ann Hince (32:00.814)
Okay, so let me let me back step a little bit. So after I’ve done a lot of EFT, I realized that I could feel why I became aware of my emotions, which hadn’t been aware before, then I became aware of the physical sensations underneath the emotions. So where I was holding tension when I was feeling frustrated or sad or whatever.

Julie Hilsen (32:05.336)
Yeah.

Ann Hince (32:24.429)
Then I would, instead of using FT, I would focus on those sensations, doing the same thing, just allowing them to be felt. And I’ve done my, all my traumas at this point. So I did more collective traumas, things like 9-11, the tsunami, those kinds of big things that we all had our own personal experience of. So I would lay on the sofa and I would bring these memories to mind and I would just allow myself to feel them, to release those emotions. And it was kind of during this timeframe that I experienced Kundalini energy.

that happened over multiple months. I don’t remember the timeline again. I wish I’d kept a diary. But at the end of that, when the Kundalini kind of faded off, like I think my whole body had released enough tension that it didn’t need that energy anymore. I realized I could put my awareness inside my body. And that’s when I started playing with this tension and connective tissue inside. But it was during that period, one day I was brushing my teeth.

And I noticed a cross form had formed between my eyebrows. Now, I’m nothing to look at. I’m pretty ugly and I don’t like looking at my face much. But it was really eye opening to see that. It’s like I couldn’t believe my eyes actually. And I went to my computer and I started looking at all these spiritual teachers thinking I must have just not noticed it on all these other people. So I look.

I look closely at all these other people. It’s like, no, I can’t see it there. But it was eye opening for me because I realized that it’s symbolic, right? It’s in so many symbols that we see around the world, that the cross. That’s also when I started to realize that the cathedral or church is a three dimensional skull because they have the rose window and some of them have a cross and the rose window.

And it’s got the two eyes, it’s got the nose, it’s got the bell towers, which are the ears. And it’s got the altar, which is the most sacred part inside the cathedral or the skull. And so then I had to work out, what part is that inside our skulls? So anyway, I went down a whole bunch of rabbit holes. I don’t think so. I think it’s in front of that. I think it’s the sphenoid sinus, which is kind of the equivalent of the heart. There’s two chambers.

Julie Hilsen (34:40.618)
Is it where the pineal gland is, where the altar is?

Ann Hince (34:53.467)
So, yes, absolutely. Yes, and it’s the bone. So it’s inside the sinuses. the air, the breath of life in those two sinuses. That’s what I currently believe anyway, which is, so I can sense inside my skull and I, it took me a lot of work, but I kind of worked out where I’m sensing from. And I’m sensing from somewhere between my eyes, slightly lower than my eyes.

Julie Hilsen (34:54.05)
hologram again.

Ann Hince (35:22.405)
but not as far back as the pineal gland is further forward than that. So that’s partly how I honed in on that place, but I could also see it in symbology when you look back at angels. The sphenoid bone has two sets of wings, bone wings. So it’s there so much.

Julie Hilsen (35:46.242)
much. And, and it to me it was an affirmation that you are on to divinity to unlocking that part of you that is that is God like that is able to tune in and heal and have insight and and have you know awareness and love. My ear pod just fell out.

Ann Hince (36:12.849)
Yeah, it was affirmation to me. It’s okay. This is this is I know this is the right path, right? It just helped me. Yeah, the physical changes helped too, right? But this is just another physical change. And it just made me realize, okay, I can see inside that’s I know that’s inside. And this is the third eye points, right? So it’s just the external validation that the inner eye is open. And that’s all it is. I’m just looking inside.

and I’m sensing inside, it’s the inner eye.

Julie Hilsen (36:44.15)
And to me, there’s nothing more precious than our divinity and each person is completely perfect. I mean, we like to say, we’re not this and we’re not that, but that’s a myth. We’re completely perfect.

Ann Hince (36:58.011)
Yeah, absolutely. It’s just underneath our traumas and the programming that we’ve experienced, but underneath that is, as you said, divinity, our true self. It’s all there. It’s there in all of us. Some of us just have more stuff to work through to find it than others do.

Julie Hilsen (37:18.752)
And that’s a bigger challenge. And I do believe God doesn’t give us anything bigger than we can handle. I truly believe that.

Ann Hince (37:25.379)
Absolutely. I’ve realized that on my journey because when I started, if I had become aware of this pain in my left cheek, when I became aware of it, it was massive. It was overwhelming. I could only focus on it for a second at a time. It was so painful, but it had been there my whole life. I had just never been aware of it before. So at each step, we’re just shown the next step, right? How much we can handle. then there’s just another step after that. There’s many, many steps.

Julie Hilsen (37:52.224)
So yeah, did you know that you needed your bone, your teeth, you said you grew your teeth roots? Did you know that you needed to grow them or did the, you go for an exam and they say, hey, you you’re losing bone in your teeth or were you able to sense it through your process to?

Ann Hince (38:01.382)
Yeah.

Ann Hince (38:13.827)
I had years where my lower teeth were loose, my front lower teeth were wiggly. I’ve had orthodontic work three times in my life, I’ve had really bad teeth from a child. And just all that work, I think just made them loose. And then I was doing this work and doing this work, eventually they weren’t loose anymore. And then just seeing those x-rays, you could just see the difference. So.

Julie Hilsen (38:18.222)
Ann Hince (38:43.043)
Yeah, I mean, everything changes when you release that tension, because it’s it’s just blocking the energy flow. So as you release it, everything flows more easily, right? Everything starts working better.

Julie Hilsen (38:55.386)
And you’re living testament to it. It’s just, I want to say it’s a miracle because it’s amazing how you trusted and went down the path and then you’re open to see the progress to talk about it. And, you know, that’s a miracle too. I I love how you found peace and solutions and you’re real because you’re not saying things aren’t going to

come up, things keep coming up. It’s a process, it’s a routine, it’s a ritual, but so worth it and so empowering.

Ann Hince (39:29.507)
It is. It is worth it. It becomes fun after a while. Once you really realize, okay, you’re just trying to find this tension that’s stored inside, So for many years, I didn’t watch the news because I had too much stuff to deal with already, right? But once I’d cleared out all my stuff, I said, okay, what’s next, right? Where can I find deeper healing? So I would start watching the news again.

find what triggered me, right? Find those triggers, feel it, and then allow that energy to release. So that’s what I’ll do now. It’s like, okay, what’s next? So it’s fun.

Julie Hilsen (40:05.102)
and you became this calm example to your friends and the community around you. I remember reading about how your group, your friends started saying, you’re so calm, you’re so centered, you got it together.

Ann Hince (40:18.668)
Yes, and I didn’t used to be.

Julie Hilsen (40:21.55)
So cool. I’ve just enjoyed this. know you have you have a retreat coming up that you’re going to share about and anything else you want to tell you have a very active YouTube channel I was on there. It’s beautiful and full of knowledge and your book is great and your workbook. Yeah, what else would you like to share and I’ll definitely put links in the discussion.

Ann Hince (40:44.593)
Thanks. I’m very active on Facebook. That’s my platform that I use and I’ve been posting. I’ve posted every day this year so far. Hopefully that will continue, but I try and explain things on there in ways that people can hopefully understand. But yes, I do have a new retreat. My first retreat in the summer in July of 2025 and it’s doing this work on

Julie Hilsen (40:48.61)
Okay.

Ann Hince (41:11.575)
on our mothers, right? If we’ve lost a mother, if a mother has died, a past, it’s doing this intense work. It’s doing the release work on her death. It’s doing the release work on our past experience with our mother or father. Either way will work. And then our fear about going on in life without a mother. So it’s this intense work that I did on that particular subject over four days. So I think it will be really transformative for people who want to come on that.

So that’s something fun to look forward to.

Julie Hilsen (41:43.53)
Yes, that sounds amazing. That sounds really amazing and so pertinent. There’s so many souls choosing to move on right now that I’m sure that’ll be really beneficial to a lot of people. my gosh. Well, thank you so much. I just enjoyed this immensely.

Ann Hince (42:00.197)
Hopefully.

Ann Hince (42:06.235)
Thank you, thank you, it was a fun conversation.

Julie Hilsen (42:09.284)
Love you.